WRM: Watchtower Resistance Movement

by ekruks 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • ekruks
    ekruks

    When France was invaded by the Nazis, they established what was called the French Resistance, which attacked the Nazis. The cause was to fight evil, so it was called a guerilla movement. In each town, rebels would meet together secretly and sabotage the Nazis, doing things such as blowing up railway lines, though they didn't attack civilians who were oppressed.

    I don't see for us to fight the individuals in the organisation, because many of them are just misled, confused, brainwashed. People have stresses, difficult circumstances in life, and look for a saviour, hence they turn to God.

    However, there are a lot of us on here, and there are things we can do to stop Jehovah's Witnesses!

    We forget how many of us there are. About a third of JW youths stay in the faith, so for every 1 in, there are 2 out. Older ones leave too. I know some people from the world are drawn into the 'truth', but some leave. Hence, there are more out than in.

    I resent organisation in that it allows tinpot dictators, but we do have experience here of organising things. I took care of a group, have done various assignments. We can use this experience to form little effective units to bring down the Watchtower. We don't need to even equal them in numbers to bring them down.

    What can we do?

    Meet with local ex-JWs, and try to ignore any differences and politics. Form a unit.

    Each unit attacks the local JW kingdom hall(s) in a nice way. No violence!

    1. Graffiti (?) website addresses on to walls - yes, this is illegal, but hard to stop, and initially it may just cause the cult mentality to make JWs hate us more, but if every night, sneak up and graffiti walls, or flypost, soon it will make youths JW think - it will get to some.
    2. Flyers under car windscreens - no more illegal than preaching, and do this in groups. Especially near the Kingdom Hall. Could everyone just follow the former informal preaching advice, and put a few of these in their pocket? I know that approaching people face to face on this subject may be awkward, but could have a very brief comment - "I used to be a JW and want to let people know why I left. It's a cult.", or just put them under car windscreen wipers or through doors on way to work, or in the laundrette, tables in McDonalds, etc..
    3. Tell neighbours why you left the JWs i.e. it was a cult
    4. Write to your local paper to tell them how abusive JWs are
    5. Write to your local parliament representative to tell him you were abused, and worry for others
    6. File police charges for any abuse that violates the law

    Once a year, the units should all come together for big peaceful protest(s), at various locations, so one in London, one in New York, one in San Francisco. Have TV interviews.

    Our demands (requirements to stop our action) are as follows:

    1. The blood issue be dropped.

    I know there are scriptures to back it up, but at the end of the day, it's weird. The mention of health benefits is merely passive dissidence, for the real motive is this sacredness of life, and if life is sacred, why symbolise that by death?! Weird! It is actually to show one's loyalty to God, as in Abraham willing to kill Isaac for love of God - some sick God! It rather reminds me of child sacrifices to Molech, tha that the Watchtower so criticises, or the Inca sacrifices. The Governing Body has such power, viewed as the word of God, that people will do what it says - if it says jump, they jump; if it says die, they die - this must stop.

    2. The child abuse must be addressed.

    There needs to be some kind of reform, so as to protect youngsters better. There is the notion that prayer and Bible study can allow the holy spirit to change one. However, some conditions are serious mental problems, such as psychopathy, and such people can be two-sided, putting on a show of change. More must be done to protect from such conditions, especially in the case of any congregation responsibility. I appreciate people can still worship God, whatever they have done, but the police must be informed of these matters, because simply praying isn't enough - medical help is needed, and the abuser may need to be force by the police to accept that, and the police need to be allowed to monitor that person, and stop doing thing such as working as a teacher.

    3. Disfellowshipping / disassociation needs reform.

    I appreciate that if one doesn't follow the rules, they are not really part of an organisation. If one who doesn't follow the guidelines, or sinned, cannot be an elder, ministerial servant, pioneer, or even do ministry and comment at meetings, ok, so be it. It's fair enough to have qualifications for these assignments, but it's another thing to cut that person off. In fact, lots of love, rather than shunning, may help them to get spiritually better, so for a certainty the elders should be very friendly to such a person. I prefer how an inactive person is treated. They are, ok, not the best association, perhaps marked, but they are not disconnected from all they know, they can still talk to family, they can still go to meetings, but they may need to review some study material before doing ministry again, etc..

    One should be able to grow up in this faith, and then decided it's not for them, without loosing their family, because they got baptised into what they didn't understand. Likewise, if one has been disfellowshipped, sure, they can't lead the congregation or preach unless they repent, and sure Witnesses in general won't be drawn to them as a friend due to difference in lifestyle. But are they any more dangerous than an inactive one - some degree of contact should be permitted with at least the family; though I appreciate the family don't want to be involved in such a different lifestyle, but then a youth who was never baptised could drift away, be as immoral, and family still be allowed to carefully associate in a limited way, whereby they didn't feel pressure to sin - this is a double-standard!

    4. Mental illness must be recognised and reduced

    An incredible number of Jehovah's Witnesses have mental illneses, such as Fibromyalgia/CFS-M.E., depression, OCD, chemical reactions, allergies, etc., all of which are related to stress. We can use instead everyday terms such as 'burnout' or 'nervous breakdowns'. We know the cause. It's the control the Governing Body, the micro-managing of elders, the in-fighting among elders keen for positions, not to mention the incredible pressure to preach the good news as the end if near and no one want to be bloodguilty when Jehovah's Day comes. Bethelites and pioneers work too hard, and need to be encouraged to rest more, and this stigma of massages, therapy, and other ways to relieve stress, must be removed. Elders must be more loving (!), and also go on courses to help them cope with stresses, as do ambulance men, fire crews, etc., not to mention training to not squabbling - some of these guys have serious underlying issues, such as an inferiority complex, that make them squabble. I know the world in general has these, but it's worse when one is claiming to be the representative of God, and expecting everyone to respect his word as Jehovah's guidance, due to the influence of a not so holy spirit among the brothers.

    5. Leaders need to be held more responsible.

    It may be said to trust on Jehovah when things go wrong, but all kinds of problems like child abuse occur and could be avoided if elders were held more responsible. Their qualifications should be frequently reviewed. They should be given more training, especially in psychology, because they cannot be counsellors to people on the basis alone of the wisdom of holy spirit via the scriptures.

    Often I have seen a lack of ability to organise things, as well as incredible politics, power-hunger, by men who would not have had such opportunity for a position of authority if they had been in the world. There can be this lovely role of authority, with very little work. In worldly organisations, there are tests, courses, etc., i.e. studying, to achieve position, and yes, some find other ways, but often it's hard work, and that puts off some bullies - ok, there are psychos everywhere, but at the least such reduces corruption. The newly-formed elders' school, could be a real school, more like the Ministerial Training School, but longer, and more importantly with an exam, because I have been to Kingdom Ministry School and there is no test to make sure you paid any attention and learnt anything, or didn't fall asleep. It amazes me how many elders are the voice in the scriptures, but don't know them well.

    Elders could be checked up on - i.e. publishers have to report return visits, and do a fair number to become an elder, so why don't elders have pressure to do a fair number of shepherding visits; an hour requirement for helping brothers which took priority over field service - some may fake it, but it would get rid of some elders who want the title and don't want to help people. Moreover, the Governing Body should stop being so secretive - we let them decided if we live and die (blood fractions or not, etc.), but we don't really know who they are, what they do, etc. - they must stop acting with the arrogance of the British monarchy, which was for centuries was a voice unquestion, for it was said to be appointed by God.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    However, there are a lot of us on here, and there are things we can do to stop Jehovah's Witnesses!.....Ekruks

    1).. You need to figure out who the Enemy is..It`s Not JW`s..

    It`s the WBT$..

    2).. Attacking JW`s is ridiculous..It`s something a Nutcase like Rick Fearon does..

    3)..Trying to Organise exJW`s is like herding cats..It`s never been done..

    Most of us have no interest in Protesting JW`s.. Why?..

    Read number 1..

    .......................;-)...OUTLAW

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    What outlaw said, ekruks - essentially: Get a life.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Victor Laszlo ...

    Nicely presented, Ekruks.

    CC

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Many of the above things are or have been done.

    1) Inciting to violence or doing illegal stuff should never be done. Any organized action (whether from churches or ex-witnesses) only strengthens their faith that they are doing the right thing.

    2) You have to get a message across without offending their belief system. This is best done on a one-on-one basis. Again, see point 1.

    3) You have to get a message across privately. This is hard as there is continuous control. If you don't do it privately, many will not respond because they are being viewed by others. Many ex-JW have the feeling somebody is always looking over their shoulders even after many years, in the cult it's even worse.

    Your points have been made before in protests and to WT leadership however they are summarily ignored. Your standard response to those demands:

    1: It's scriptural, God above men, God above health, God above life, WT tells you what God wants - whether or not you feel that is right, see my point 2.

    2: It was addressed in 2002. The rest we follow the scriptures, see response 1.

    3: Personal conscience matter, God sees all, God leads WT, such persons do not bring God's spirit blah, blah, blah, we follow the scriptures.

    4: JW's are the happiest people on earth. What are you talking about? The WT says so, Jesus says his followers would be happy so we must be happy.

    5: God will work things out, God sees all, God leads WT, such persons do not bring God's spirit.

    What you need to do is show them point blank where the WT is currently lying. Sometimes you can do this on the scriptures, other times you have to give them private information beforehand so it can simmer and they can't hear from the platform how great this new arrangement is. The ATM's in the Assembly Hall is one of those things. Blood is another thing if you can back it up in very simple statements. Participation as an NGO in political organization (currently 1 in the EU).

    Again, get them at a point they are away from the org influence for the longest time so it can simmer for the longest time. If you say it right before a meeting, it will be forgotten and/or 'corrected' by the powers that be.

  • ekruks
    ekruks

    Pretty update ...perhaps the forum admin can override the 30mins editing rule for me

    White Lamb: Watchtower Resistance Movement

    When France was invaded by the Nazis, they established what was called the French Resistance, which attacked the Nazis. The cause was to fight evil, so it was called a guerilla movement. In each town, rebels would meet together secretly and sabotage the Nazis, doing things such as blowing up railway lines, though they didn't attack civilians who were oppressed. Such movements have existed in many countries at many times, and such pressure has influenced incredible changes, for better or for worse, for example India's independence from Britain, or the end of apartheid in South Africa, or the end of slavery in the United States.

    There are a lot of us on here, and there are things we can do to stop Jehovah's Witnesses!

    We forget how many of us there are. About a third of JW youths stay in the faith, so for every 1 in, there are 2 out. Older ones leave too. I know some people from the world are drawn into the 'truth', but some leave. Hence, there are more out than in.

    I resent organisation in that it allows tinpot dictators, but we do have experience here of organising things. I took care of a group, have done various assignments. We can use this experience to form little effective units to bring down the Watchtower. We don't need to even equal them in numbers to bring them down.

    What can we do?

    I don't see for us to fight the individuals in the organisation, because many of them are just misled, confused, brainwashed. People have stresses, difficult circumstances in life, and look for a saviour, hence they turn to God.

    Raymond Franz is like a hero to us, with his brave writings in books, such as Crisis of Consciene. He is a major figure in this resistance movement, rather like the guys such as Tresckow in uprising displayed in the movie Valkyrie. However, the resitance to the Nazis had other less well-known movements. One was the White Rose movement, which wasn't by well-trained German military, but merely students, and we know how powerful a group of students can be when they protest together. In January 1943, they launched a campaign of antiwar handbills and graffiti in and around Ludwig Maximilians University in Munich. What of us?

    Form your local a White Lamb unit:

    Meet with local ex-JWs, and try to ignore any differences and politics, i.e. don't want this to become a tinpot dictator issue like with bodies of elders.

    Each unit attacks the local JW kingdom hall(s) in a nice way. No violence! Also, be wary of the Watchtower's legal team!

    1. Graffiti (?) website addresses on to Kingdom Hall and other walls - yes, this is illegal, but hard to stop, and initially it may just cause the cult mentality to make JWs hate us more, but if every night, sneak up and graffiti walls, or flypost, soon it will make youths JW think - it will get to some. http://www.freeminds.org/
    2. Glue fluffy white toy lambs to Kingdom Hall entrances. http://www.silentlambs.org/
    3. Flyers under car windscreens - no more illegal than preaching, and do this in groups. Especially near the Kingdom Hall. Could everyone just follow the former informal preaching advice, and put a few of these in their pocket? I know that approaching people face to face on this subject may be awkward, but could have a very brief comment - "I used to be a JW and want to let people know why I left. It's a cult.", or just put them under car windscreen wipers or through doors on way to work, or in the laundrette, tables in McDonalds, etc..
    4. Tell neighbours why you left the JWs i.e. it was a cult
    5. Write to your local paper to tell them how abusive JWs are
    6. Write to your local parliament representative to tell him you were abused, and worry for others
    7. File police charges for any abuse that violates the law

    Once a year, the units should all come together for big peaceful protest(s), at various locations, so one in London, one in New York, one in San Francisco. Have TV interviews. We could have a barbecue.

    Our demands (requirements to stop our action) are as follows:

    Either the government bans the organisation and send the members for medical help (therapy), or they willing close down, or the more likely result that they address these 5 matters.

    1. The blood issue be dropped.

    I know there are scriptures to back it up, but at the end of the day, it's weird. The mention of health benefits is merely passive dissidence, for the real motive is this sacredness of life, and if life is sacred, why symbolise that by death?! Weird! It is actually to show one's loyalty to God, as in Abraham willing to kill Isaac for love of God - some sick God! It rather reminds me of child sacrifices to Molech, tha that the Watchtower so criticises, or the Inca sacrifices. The Governing Body has such power, viewed as the word of God, that people will do what it says - if it says jump, they jump; if it says die, they die - this must stop.

    Link: http://www.ajwrb.org/

    2. The child abuse must be addressed.

    There needs to be some kind of reform, so as to protect youngsters better. There is the notion that prayer and Bible study can allow the holy spirit to change one. However, some conditions are serious mental problems, such as psychopathy, and such people can be two-sided, putting on a show of change. More must be done to protect from such conditions, especially in the case of any congregation responsibility. I appreciate people can still worship God, whatever they have done, but the police must be informed of these matters, because simply praying isn't enough - medical help is needed, and the abuser may need to be force by the police to accept that, and the police need to be allowed to monitor that person, and stop doing thing such as working as a teacher.

    3. Disfellowshipping / disassociation needs reform.

    I appreciate that if one doesn't follow the rules, they are not really part of an organisation. If one who doesn't follow the guidelines, or sinned, cannot be an elder, ministerial servant, pioneer, or even do ministry and comment at meetings, ok, so be it. It's fair enough to have qualifications for these assignments, but it's another thing to cut that person off. We all know this is a sign of a cult: http://freedomofmind.com/

    In fact, lots of love, rather than shunning, may help them to get spiritually better, so for a certainty the elders should be very friendly to such a person. I prefer how an inactive person is treated. They are, ok, not the best association, perhaps marked, but they are not disconnected from all they know, they can still talk to family, they can still go to meetings, but they may need to review some study material before doing ministry again, etc..

    One should be able to grow up in this faith, and then decided it's not for them, without loosing their family, because they got baptised into what they didn't understand. Likewise, if one has been disfellowshipped, sure, they can't lead the congregation or preach unless they repent, and sure Witnesses in general won't be drawn to them as a friend due to difference in lifestyle. But are they any more dangerous than an inactive one - some degree of contact should be permitted with at least the family; though I appreciate the family don't want to be involved in such a different lifestyle, but then a youth who was never baptised could drift away, be as immoral, and family still be allowed to carefully associate in a limited way, whereby they didn't feel pressure to sin - this is a double-standard!

    Disfellowshipping should be open to a proper appeal, before an independent body. The original body should not have a deciding influence on the outcome of the appeal - this is a 'kangaroo' court. Also, there needs to be a stop to using disfellowshipping as a tactic to silence and control, by removing supposedly 'rebellious' brothers who simply made fair comments or criticisms, or didn't follow unreasonable requests.

    4. Mental illness must be recognised and reduced

    An incredible number of Jehovah's Witnesses have mental illneses, such as Fibromyalgia/CFS-M.E., depression, OCD, chemical reactions, PTSD, allergies, etc., all of which are related to stress, or to be more scientific, severe anxiety disorders. We can use instead everyday terms such as 'burnout' or 'nervous breakdowns'. We know the cause. It's the control the Governing Body, the micro-managing of elders, the in-fighting among elders keen for positions, not to mention the incredible pressure to preach the good news as the end if near and no one want to be bloodguilty when Jehovah's Day comes.

    It doesn't have to be viewed as anti-organisation. In the early 19th century military medical doctors started diagnosing soldiers with "exhaustion" after the stress of battle, and do not Jehovah's Witnesses view themselves as being in a spiritual battle against Satan's spirit of the world. Bethelites and pioneers work too hard, and need to be encouraged to rest more, and this stigma of massages, therapy, and other ways to relieve stress, must be removed. Treatment must been given for spiritual battle fatigue, other than simply being told one is only tired because they didn't pray enough, so lack the 'power beyond what is normal'.

    Consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTSD

    Elders must be more loving (!), and also go on courses to help them cope with stresses, as do ambulance men, fire crews, etc., not to mention training to not squabbling - some of these guys have serious underlying issues, such as an inferiority complex, that make them squabble. I know the world in general has these, but it's worse when one is claiming to be the representative of God, and expecting everyone to respect his word as Jehovah's guidance, due to the influence of a not so holy spirit among the brothers.

    5. Leaders need to be held more responsible.

    It is certainly autocratic that the decisions of elders and the Governing Body may not be question, and another name for autocracy is dictarorship. It may be said to trust on Jehovah when things go wrong, but all kinds of problems like child abuse occur and could be avoided if elders were held more responsible. Their qualifications should be frequently reviewed. They should be given more training, especially in psychology, because they cannot be counsellors to people on the basis alone of the wisdom of holy spirit via the scriptures. Often I have seen a lack of ability to organise things, as well as incredible politics, power-hunger, by men who would not have had such opportunity for a position of authority if they had been in the world. There can be this lovely role of authority, with very little work. It can result in severe bullying, which the victim doesn't want to question or any eye-witnesses don't want to acknowledge, because of loyalty to Jehovah.

    Consider: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workplace_bullying

    Outside the organisation, leaders have to handle opposition, criticism, and so forth, but elders are free to be narcissist, imposing unreasonable personal 'pet hates', such as a ban on beards. In worldly organisations, there are tests, courses, etc., i.e. studying, to achieve position, and yes, some find other ways, but often it's hard work, and that puts off some bullies - ok, there are psychos everywhere, but at the least such reduces corruption. The newly-formed elders' school, could be a real school, more like the Ministerial Training School, but longer, and more importantly with an exam, because I have been to Kingdom Ministry School and there is no test to make sure you paid any attention and learnt anything, or didn't fall asleep. It amazes me how many elders are the voice in the scriptures, but don't know them well. Also, there should be more honesty and openness with brothers 'reaching out' as to why they don't qualify, rather than telling people to humbly wait; too much of a glass ceiling.

    Elders could be checked up on - i.e. publishers have to report return visits, and do a fair number to become an elder, so why don't elders have pressure to do a fair number of shepherding visits; an hour requirement for helping brothers which took priority over field service - some may fake it, but it would get rid of some elders who want the title and don't want to help people. Moreover, the Governing Body should stop being so secretive - we let them decided if we live and die (blood fractions or not, etc.), but we don't really know who they are, what they do, etc. - they must stop acting with the arrogance of the British monarchy, which was for centuries was a voice unquestion, for it was said to be appointed by God.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I still believe you should seriously consider getting a life.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
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    Other than the lawbreaking activity you encouraged...to each, his own.

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  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    White Lamb: Watchtower Resistance Movement

    When France was invaded by the Nazis,they established what was called the French Resistance, which attacked the Nazis. The cause was to fight evil, so it was called a guerilla movement. In each town, rebels would meet together secretly and sabotage the Nazis, doing things such as blowing up railway lines, though they didn't attack civilians who were oppressed. Such movements have existed in many countries at many times, and such pressure has influenced incredible changes, for better or for worse, for example India's independence from Britain, or the end of apartheid in South Africa, or the end of slavery in the United States.

    There are a lot of us on here, and there are things we can do to stop Jehovah's Witnesses!.....Ekruks

    .......................................................................................

    Godwin's law

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Mike Godwin, formulator of the "law"

    Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) [1] [2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 [2] that has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)." [3] [2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.

    Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form. [citation needed] The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued [4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

    Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenetnewsgroup discussions, [5] the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches. [6]

    ...........................;-)...OUTLAW

  • exwhyzee
    exwhyzee
    I still believe you should seriously consider getting a life.

    He said after being on this forum for 5 years and having made hundreds of posts...

    It's probably easier to talk trash and complain anonymously on here than to actually do something, especially if you haven't quite gotten over the "what if they're right after all ? " phase . I've thought about mailing every JW friend and family member I know, a brief flyer outlining all the information from the past that was hidden from me by being swept under the rug. The Californiia Mansion, the failed predictions from the early 1900's, the UN membership and the Malawi/Mexico inconsistencies over political and draft issues etc. I don't necessarily want anyone to stop being a JW if thats what they want to be. I just want them to be informed and to know everything most JWs are never told about the WBTS past before spending their whole lives thinking they know what they are doing.

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