Do you know how many actually stick to the blood transfusion? Very few. Many "sin" and according to our elders it's very common to be "weak" at that point and give in. They practically recommended that course of action to me when I said I didn't agree with the teaching.
Do you think Witnesses would drink the "Cool-Aid" if told to do so...like Jonestown?
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N.drew
Really? My husband might have divorced me over that doctrine. We have four children and he was worried. We are happy, but only because my husband (who is an atheist) reflects Jehovah's goodness. (I wonder-not how that is possible?). We never had to decide, even for myself about blood transfusion, I trusted in Jehovah. I believe Jehovah will cause an avoiding of anything that might destroy me.
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JRK
50/50
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LongHairGal
W007: I believe pretty much as New Chapter believes. The fact that the JWs are located all over the place and are not geographically isolated is in their favor. A tragic scenario like Jonestown NEEDS the element of isolation for this to happen. Although it is entirely possible that a few die-hards here and there would do this. As a whole group, I would venture to say no.
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Witness 007
Some points.....Jim Jones started out as a more "traditional" christian pastor who, as he grew like most cults slowly turned more right-wing. He's sons soccer team was away from the compound on the day so he asked them to kill themselves...they refused. Followers at the Jones town house in the capital city however, slit their families throats.
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J. Hofer
most would not. JWs are a bad cult/religion, but by far not the worst cult/religion on earth. the average JW would not purposely kill or commit suicide. that's a barrier only the most deluded of them would overcome. i'd say under 10% would do that. there would be other people standing up and disfellowship the GB and form a new one.
edit: most CURRENT JWs would not! if this isn't something sudden but a slow process, other people might be attracted to it and do it. but i don't see what sense this thought experiment would have in that case.
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jonathan dough
Maybe. If this is true:
Anyone considering joining the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses, or current members of this group, are generally unfamiliar with its early history, the beliefs and practices of its founder Charles Taze Russell and to a lesser extent Joseph F. Rutherford. The Watchtower Society goes to great lengths to distance itself from Russell and his teachings as they are now considered anathema, and bizarre. The foundational tenets of the faith are so different from today's religion that the Russell-era organization is virtually unrecognizable.
Much of the old doctrine has been thrown out and would be condemned as seeped in the occult and clearly pagan today, and for good reason, because such conduct and beliefs are unscriptural and prohibited. Harsh words, no doubt, but facts speak for themselves and explain to a great extent some of today's questionable doctrine and practices. Try as the Jehovah's Witnesses do, there is no escaping their occult pagan past. Potential converts are forewarned and are advised to study these issues carefully. Below are numerous websites devoted to exposing the Jehovah's Witnesses' deep connection with the occult and its pagan origins.
This documented historical connection with the occult is evident in several ways. Russell relied heavily on astrological predictions and signs of the zodiac. Rutherford believed that Jehovah most likely resided in the Pleiades constellation. Many of Rutherford and Russell's false predictions were calculated based on alignment and measurement of ancient Egyptian pyramids relying in essence on the powers of the occult. A small pyramid was erected next to Russell's grave as a memorial to his life and work. The satanic All-Seeing Eye of occult worship adorns Russell's memorial pyramid, and early Watchtower publications incorporate Masonic symbolism to a great degree. Furthermore, the Divine Plan of the Ages, an early Watchtower book, is adorned with the Winged Sun Disc, an Egyptian religious symbol of pagan origins and false worship.
The Jehovahs Witnesses can run from their occult past, but they can't hide. Nor can they sweep these truths under the rug of their New Light Doctrine. Due to such an un-biblical foundation that continued well into the 1920s, it is inconceivable that Jesus Christ chose the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as their sole representatives on earth due to the purity of their faith.http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/occult_jehovahs_witnesses.html
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charlie brown jr.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
I always thought that when I was in.....
Yes they would!
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nugget
The problem with the JW paradigm is that it is built on the concept of living forever and never dying. In JW land they have been taught for decades that everyone else will die and they will watch it happen. To tell them that they have to take their own lives would be a radical departure from everything they have been taught and would be such a major change that there is no guarantee that witnesses would be able to process it. You might find that those totally invested would do whatever was asked, but ambitious men and those with doubts would hesitate even within the confines of the hall there would be some dissent.
There is also little likelihood that the GB would ever make such a request since they love money too much to kill the golden goose.
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reslight2
Anyone considering joining the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses, or current members of this group, are generally unfamiliar with its early history, the beliefs and practices of its founder Charles Taze Russell and to a lesser extent Joseph F. Rutherford. The Watchtower Society goes to great lengths to distance itself from Russell and his teachings as they are now considered anathema, and bizarre. The foundational tenets of the faith are so different from today's religion that the Russell-era organization is virtually unrecognizable.
There is indeed a great deal of difference between the Russell-era non-authoritarianism and the organization that Rutherford created after Russell died. Russell did not believe in any such authoritarian organization as the Jehovah's Witnesses. Russell did not believe in the Armageddon dogma preached by the JW organization. The JWs reject the very basis of the central doctrine that Russell taught -- the ransom for all.
Much of the old doctrine has been thrown out and would be condemned as seeped in the occult and clearly pagan today, and for good reason, because such conduct and beliefs are unscriptural and prohibited. Harsh words, no doubt, but facts speak for themselves and explain to a great extent some of today's questionable doctrine and practices. Try as the Jehovah's Witnesses do, there is no escaping their occult pagan past. Potential converts are forewarned and are advised to study these issues carefully. Below are numerous websites devoted to exposing the Jehovah's Witnesses' deep connection with the occult and its pagan origins.
From the perspective of the JWs, much that Russell taught would indeed be considered pagan. Russell himself, however, did not believe in the occult.
http://ctr.reslight.net/?cat=599
This documented historical connection with the occult is evident in several ways. Russell relied heavily on astrological predictions and signs of the zodiac.
Since Russell did not rely at all on astrological predictions, or the signs of the zodiac (as in astrology), the above statements are false.
http://ctr.reslight.net/?cat=301
Many of Rutherford and Russell's false predictions were calculated based on alignment and measurement of ancient Egyptian pyramids relying in essence on the powers of the occult.
The study of God's Stone Witness in Egypt (not "ancient Egyptian pyramids" [plural]) as a verfication of the Bible has nothing at all to do relying on the essence of the power of the occult. Russell did not rely at all on the "powers of the occult".
http://ctr.reslight.net/?cat=14
A small pyramid was erected next to Russell's grave as a memorial to his life and work. The satanic All-Seeing Eye of occult worship adorns Russell's memorial pyramid
Rutherford did have a small replica of the Great Pyramid constructed in the center of the WTS plot of the Rosemont Cemetery. As far as I have determined, the orginal plans did not call for any "all-seeing eye" symbolism. If there is an "all-seeing eye" on the topstone, it may have been etched there later. Although I have no found any place that Russell ever used the all-seeying eye symbolism, the symbol represents Yahweh's all-seeing eye, and of itself, is not Satanic or occultic. Of course, the Bible itself has been perverted for occult and Satanic use; this does not mean that the Bible itself is of occult worship or Satanic.
Rutherford's pyramid monument was indeed constructed in honor of Russell, but not for him only; it was to honor all who died while working at the WTS headquarters. There are many names inscribed on that monument, not just Russell's name.
arly Watchtower publications incorporate Masonic symbolism to a great degree.
In a very, very, very, very few instances, Russell employed some things he had learned about the Masons (he was not always correct, however, in what he thought to be Masonic rituals, etc.) to illustrate various things concerning the only secret society he believed in, the church of Christ. Russell did not, however, incorporate Masonic symbolism as many often think he did. The Cross and Cross symbolism he employed had nothing at all to do with the Freemasons, for instance.
http://ctr.reslight.net/?cat=168
http://ctr.reslight.net/?cat=3
Furthermore, the Divine Plan of the Ages, an early Watchtower book, is adorned with the Winged Sun Disc, an Egyptian religious symbol of pagan origins and false worship.
Although the Egyptians perverted the use of the symbolism of the winged sun, the Bible uses the symbolism. Russell had a graphic designed that would reflect what the Bible says; again the symbolism itself is not of pagan origins, any more that the symbolism of the sun in the Bible is of pagan origins. The sun itself is not of pagan origin.