Mind Control & Urban Legends

by freeman 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • freeman
    freeman

    Witness urban legends. You know what they are; we have all heard them before. The stories that somehow show the witnesses or their teachings in a good light but always seem to contain elements that would seem preposterous to most people. They include everything from heroism and amazing miracles to satanic power and blue smurfs.

    I have developed the following hypnosis about how witnesses are able to believe the unbelievable, see what you think. My hypnosis is that witnesses are so programmed to ignore their own “bullshit detectors” that they can even rationalize or ignore the blatant bullshit inherent in urban legends. In other words, they turn off some of their reasoning powers so that they can believe a story that reinforces their belief system or somehow puts the witnesses in a positive light.

    Allow me to relate my own personal experience and the reason for my interest in this subject at this time. Two days ago my wife and I were discussing the pledge of allegiance. There was a news story about the pledge and patriotism and that’s how the subject came up. We both agreed that saying the pledge has little to do with true love of country. We agreed that respect for the laws and principals is much more meaningful then just an outward display such as the pledge. Anyway, during the course of our discussion, she related to me a story in a Watch Tower she had heard about. Supposedly, an American teacher did an experiment and asked two students to spit on the flag. Of course one student was a witness, (they are always singled out you know) and the other student was not. As you can guess, our “hero”, the witness, would in no way spit on the flag because that would be disrespectful and of course the other student did so without hesitation because the teacher told him to. I told my wife, “Well that sounds like an urban legend to me”.

    Needles to say, she hit the roof. “You don’t believe anything I say that is positive about the truth”, she said. I told her I would look it up on the WT CD-ROM. Sure enough; the story existed (much to my surprise) and even had many of the elements that she related. However, as it turned out, this story was about Canadian students and their teacher, not American. From what I could find, the Watch Tower was quoting as its source a story in its own 1990 yearbook.

    I told her that I did indeed find the article in a Watch Tower but also told her about the minor differences between her story and the printed story and that the WT article was quoting the yearbook. She seemed very pleased and I could tell she thought she had ’won a victory for the truth’. Gag!

    Now relaxed and pleased with herself that she had won, she then opened up to me and admitted that if the story had been about an American teacher and her students as she mistakenly said it was, she could see why I could conclude that it could be just an urban legend. She even went as far as to say that now knowing it was about Canadian students and their teacher “it made much more sense because there is no way a teacher in the U. S. A. would do such a controversial thing as this, they would lose their job”. She actually said this!

    I just smiled and I let her believe all was well as I could not bring myself to crush her by illustrating her illogic or tell her that a Watch Tower article quoting from a Watch Tower yearbook is hardly proof of anything. This is especially true considering their history of misquoting and just plain making stuff up as they go along.

    Although the big picture was lost on her, I believe she was quite correct in her assessment that if an American teacher had done the same thing, that teacher would be out of a job in very short order.

    To me this incident was indicative that her “bullshit detector” was going off loud and clear, but the Watch Tower programming was not letting her respond to the alarm.

    So there it is folks, and example of mind control up close and personal, sitting on the couch next to me, and she hasn’t a clue. I love my wife, but god I hate this cult!

    Any comments?

    Freeman

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Agreed. My father's bullshit detector is totally screwed up now. He disbelieves truth from his fam, but not from the people who really do lie to him.

    it doesn't help that my mom is a world class antagonist (only to him), but they become so programmed that they expect to hear it.

    Don't you remember coming home from assemblys, asking your fam what the best experience was/ Always the sick bullshit ones, the ones where the sky opened up and rained chocolate mint chip ice cream when some witness kid refused to eat a piece of cake during a birthday party. And they always made sure their was enough bullshit for every possible social group at the convention, so they all had 'experiences' to go from.

    I'll tell you, in the 20 years I was in, I never had one experience. Neither my friends. In fact, I can't name one JW I knew who had some mystical experience. It was always "that congregation in Florida" or such.

    Blech.

    ashi

  • ChuckD
    ChuckD

    UL also seem to be more prevalent in groups that are somewhat closed to the outside, and those which look at the world in an us-vs-them way. The society is both of those, in spades.

    Since leaving the organization, my BS detector is on a hair-trigger setting, and I demand proof of almost anything I am told. It is also interesting to note how easily people can get riled if you question their tall tale in any way, no matter how little proof they may have for it themselves.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I think there are a couple of aspects to do to consider.

    Firstly jws are taught to believe that the org is representative of God himself. To question the org is equal to questionning God. Therefore there is a lot of fear around any questionning/doubting.

    Secondly as representatives of God who cannot lie, the assumption is that the org does not lie. This is grossly wrong but the lies are well hidden and those that do leak out to the r&f are coated with words like apostate propaganda or jumpong ahead or some other such nonsense.

    Thirdly the more information contrary to the org beliefs the greater the belief that the org is correct about persecution and the greater the belief that it is God's representative

    These 3 factors alone would be enough to set up cognitive dissonace and the more information the member comes across to disprove the org the stronger their belief that the org is in fact the "right" and only true religion.

    In view of this I would think that while on one level you may be providing food for thought the mind control programming will actually reinforce the org belief system

    Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
    Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
    Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
    Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002

  • amccullough
    amccullough

    It is called subjective bias. Unfortunately it has nothing to do with mind control, but seems to be a common trait among Humans in general. Even a good number of XJWs on this DB are inflicted with it.

  • 25ashitaka25
    25ashitaka25

    AMC-an example of it on this DB, please?

    But, I agree that the bullshit is everywhere, it's just SANCTIONED in the borg.

    ashi

  • amccullough
    amccullough

    LOL, an example? It would start a million threads of people defending their views if I gave specific examples. There are plenty of posts and replies on here that are obviously rooted in the emotions of the person and how they perceived that they were wronged by the WT. We are all subjective by nature, it is just some are more inflicted by it than others. Complete objectivity is unattainable, but worth the effort nevertheless.

  • 25ashitaka25
    25ashitaka25

    An emotional response is different than a prepared experience that is false.

    People opinions are one thing, creating legends are another.

    ashi

  • amccullough
    amccullough

    Agreed. I was referring to the talk of "bullshit detectors" and how subjective bias is what decides what many people will or will not believe.

  • 25ashitaka25
    25ashitaka25

    Right, yet I was a very different person several years ago, and my bullshit detector didn't work. I just didn't care what was said, I never investigated anything, I was a 'natural street freak, just eating anything that came by.' (Fear and Loathing reference)

    true objectivity is not anywhere, but a good balance is possible, just not in the borg, as I've seen.

    ashi

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