Liberal Christians and Conservative Christians---The Inescapable Quandries

by mankkeli 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • scotoma
    scotoma

    Tec: When I speak of science I am referring to evidence based information. The claim for some omnipotent/omnicient everlasting "person" can never be proven because there is no way you can be sure the "person" you are researching is the one that knows everything and can do anything.

    If there were a devil and he made the claim that he was the almighty all-knowing God would it be possibile for him to perofrm powerful demonstrations of that fact? Even God couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was the top God and that there isn't another more powerful god.

    It is scientifically possible to believe in evolved organisms arranged in a hierarchy of knowledge, intelligence, technology. You can get there by evolution just as we got here by evolution. So it is conceivable that there MAY be sentient beings that feel an affinity toward our species. Of course this is science fiction which consist of scenarios that at least have a scientific base.

    Everything in the bible is pre-scientific. Those ideas didn't change the human condition for thousands (actually hundreds of thousands) of year. The scientific era has just barely begun and has allowed billions of people to live a better longer healthier life. The parts of the world that are locked in the prescientific religious mode suffer the most.

    I still assert that at best Jesus is an abstraction at this point in time. There is no evidence outside the loosely collected writings of a cultish offshoot of Judaism.

    However, if you abandon the "magic" of Jesus you might even conceive of him as an alien inplant to move humans past the destructive idea of nationalism. The most important message that Jesus seems to have left is that his Kingdom was the Sky Kingdom and was no part of this world. Unfortunately, the only ones who seem to have really made an effort to be free of nationalism is Jehovah's Witnesses.

  • tec
    tec

    tec - your answer assumes too much. It presupposes one knows what love is and that it is the final measure and that it is a synonym for Christ. These are just arbitrary circular, assumptions you made up to support your whole philosophy. Your entire argument requires you to understand the final product in order to judge the product that is its constituent part.

    Obviously my answer assumes that Christ is the Truth. Since I follow Christ, this isn't surprising, is it? We are talking about how a 'christian' measures spirits, words, books of the bible, truths, etc, right? Your question was about Christianity and how one would distinguish two different versions of the HS.

    Scotoma, you made the statement that alien heirarchy was more likely than a creator and/or Christ, and stated that science backed you in this. All I was asking was for what science that stated this. I don't think you can give that to me, and that is why you haven't. Other than your own opinion about science... which is perfectly fine. You just didn't say it like it was your own opinion based on conclusions that you draw, but rather the scientific opinion as well.

    So since we are talking about our opinions, and beliefs, and personal conclusions... sure I can see how there might be more intelligent life than us. And I believe there is. I am thinking of Christ, God, and other spiritual beings. But there might also be other intelligent life out there. 'Aliens', so to speak. More intelligent/advanced... that I don't know about. Of that I think we'd have more evidence.

    I would say, however, that we have more evidence of Jesus than we do of alien life. Or at least we have as much objective evidence of Him, than of alien life. Yet, you have no problem believing in the one and not the other. Seems strange to me, but to each his own.

    Peace,

    Tammy

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