Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful. (page 4)

Found Sheep

This makes me sick one of the 1st convrsations I had when i woke up was no JW funeral!!!!!! not that I'm dead but....

Joliette

Yeah the 30 mins kills me! Very disrespectful!

agonus

"Can't lies be defeated by truth easily?"

I've asked this before, and this question has been posed by WT writers in their own publications. Though the question and answer are both couched in typical evasive WT doublespeak, the short answer is EVIDENTLY... "No".

And yes, I want people (including my JW loved ones) to celebrate my life too when I've shuffled off this mortal coil, rather than focus on my passing. As we all well know, the minute the thought of "death" enters a typical JW's mind the immediate knee-jerk reaction is The Resurrection Is The Only Hope... supposedly necessitating the sales pitch.

bigmac

a bit like the all-purpose letter to the dead/MIA etc as in that immortal book--catch 22--by Joseph Heller

"dear MR, MRs, MR & Mrs, MIss (delete as applicable)----if you love the book--you know where i'm coming from.

gard bless yawll

Theredeemer

Bumping because I went to a jw funeral for a loved one that was so disgusting! More details tomorrow

nuthouse escapee

JW funerals are weird. As a born-in I attended many funerals at the KH over my 48 yrs. in the Borg. I never realized what a "normal" funeral was until a few yrs. after leaving. My mother-in-law passed away a few years ago. The funeral started with a bit of family history, the minister gave a 10 minute scriptural presentation and then family members took turns speaking to relate special times they had with mom. Some related humorous memories and it was a real testimonial to the deceased. No wonder JW funerals sounded the same. I did not realize they used a set outline. I would rather have no funeral than one of those disgusting sales pitches. -Leslie

Splash

Yet when a GB member dies they release a 4 page colour tract all about them!

( http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/194836/1/Official-Ted-Jaraczs-Funeral-Brochure and scroll down)

Splash

Amelia Ashton

JW funerals are just an opportunity to stage an infomercial about themselves to a captive audience of non jws who might be in attendance.

Ding

This talk sounds an awful lot like the "free home Bible study" I got.

shadow

Sometimes it's ok to not follow the script . . .

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Rookie fireman mourned

By Susan Jacobson | Sentinel Staff Writer

Posted August 6, 2002

PHOTOS

Mementos. (ED SACKETT/ORLANDO SENTINEL)

Aug 6, 2002

A spray of red carnations, his firefighters’ hat and photos of Dallas Begg and his family adorn his casket Monday.

(ED SACKETT/ORLANDO SENTINEL)

casket

Somber farewell. (ED SACKETT/ORLANDO SENTINEL)

Aug 6, 2002

Pallbearers from Dallas Begg’s training class Monday carry his casket past saluting comrades, with his family following, as they proceed to his funeral. About 2,700 people paid respects to the Osceola County firefighter.

(ED SACKETT/ORLANDO SENTINEL)

farewell

Procession. (ED SACKETT/ORLANDO SENTINEL)

Aug 6, 2002

Ladder trucks use black bunting Monday to create an arch as the firetruck carrying the remains of Dallas Begg passes on the way to Osceola Memory Gardens, where the firefighter was buried.

(ED SACKETT/ORLANDO SENTINEL)

procession

Dallas Begg.

Jul 31, 2002

KISSIMMEE -- About 2,700 friends, family and fellow firefighters bid farewell Monday to Osceola County rookie Dallas Begg, who died in a training accident last week along with fire Lt. John Mickel.

David Iannelli, a volunteer with the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in New York City, eulogized Begg as someone who made a good name for himself with people and with God.

Two of the things he wanted most were to become a firefighter and win the hand of his sweetheart, Rachel, whom he married in March.

"He was very focused and determined and goal-oriented," Iannelli said. "When he set his mind to something, it generally got done."

Osceola fire Lt. Tracy Stubbs read a letter from Begg's widow, thanking firefighters and the community for their support and expressing a sad camaraderie with Carlotta Mickel, the lieutenant's widow.

The letter also recalled Begg's sense of humor and imagined how pleased and surprised he would have been to see how many people came to say goodbye to him.

"He would say, 'Yeah, I'm the man,' " Stubbs read as some people laughed and others sobbed quietly.

So many people wanted to pay their respects that the 2,100-seat auditorium overflowed and about 600 people listened in another room via loudspeakers.

Mickel's parents and widow attended the service at the former Tupperware auditorium. Mickel's funeral Saturday also drew a huge crowd.

Begg, who would have turned 21 next month, started work July 22 and died eight days later. He and Mickel were the first firefighters to enter an abandoned building where a fire had been lighted to teach search-and-rescue techniques.

Begg's instructor at Central Florida Fire Academy mourned his first student to die in the line of duty.

"We lost a bright, shining star when we lost Dallas," Lawrence MacPhee said. "He had what it took to do the job: heart, desire and the love of being a firefighter."

Flowers and pictures of Begg and his family surrounded his casket, which was draped with a spray of red carnations. On each side was a shadow box containing a shirt from his uniform, drumsticks -- he played in a band -- and other mementos.

Harold Schaitberger, general president of the International Association of Fire Fighters, and Dominick Lanza, president of the Osceola County Professional Firefighters Local 3284, hugged Rachel Begg and presented her with the IAFF's gold medal of honor.

After the service, pallbearers from Begg's training class hoisted the blue casket to their shoulders and slowly left the auditorium. On the way, they paused before Rachel Begg and Osceola fire Chief Don Adams, who escorted her.

Orange County firefighter Eric DePoto trailed the procession holding Begg's yellow firefighter's hat, which was placed on the front seat of Engine 93 on the way to the cemetery.

Bagpipes played, and firefighters from across Florida saluted as the casket was lifted into the back of the engine, which had a black wreath on the front and black swaths of cloth on the sides.

Begg was buried at Osceola Memory Gardens.

Susan Jacobson can be reached at [email protected] or 407-931-5946.

*** g99 2/8 11 Should the Dead Be Honored? *** ABalancedView

Showing honor and respect for dead ones is not always linked to false religious teachings. For instance, a Bible account relates how faithful King Hezekiah was honored after death. God’s people “buried him in the ascent to the burial places of the sons of David; and honor was what all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem rendered to him at his death.” (2 Chronicles 32:33) Another example is that of Jesus. The Bible says that his disciples “took the body of Jesus and bound it up with bandages with the spices, just the way the Jews have the custom of preparing for burial.”—John 19:40.

The Scriptures contain many other cases in which special procedures were followed relative to the body and the burial of dead ones. These practices were not ancestor worship, nor were they based on the mistaken belief that the dead continue to influence the affairs of the living. Rather, the mourners manifested deep respect for those they loved. The Bible does not object to such respect, as it is based on natural human emotions, although the Bible does not endorse lavish or hysterical displays at funerals. On the other hand, it does not encourage Christians to be stoic and impassive when faced with the death of a loved one.

Hence, when they attend the funeral or the burial of their loved ones, Jehovah’s Witnesses render proper respect and honor to the dead. (Ecclesiastes 7:2) When it comes to the matter of flowers, funeral services, and other local customs, Christians make careful personal choices in order to avoid practices that clash with Bible teachings. In this, good judgment and balance are needed. The EncyclopædiaofReligionandEthics explains that “a rite changes its significance and value from time to time, so that the meaning attached to it in later times may be quite different from that which it had originally, and the popular explanation of it may throw no light on its origin.”

Is ItWrongtoEulogize?

The principle of being balanced applies also to the matter of eulogizing the dead. At funeral services, Jehovah’s Witnesses strive to comfort the bereaved. (2 Corinthians 1:3-5) A formal program may include one or more speakers. But it would be inappropriate to convert the occasion into a long parade of eulogizers extolling the deceased. Rather, the funeral affords an opportunity to extol God’s marvelous qualities, including his kindness in providing us with the hope of the resurrection.

This does not mean, however, that it would be wrong to remember the good qualities of the deceased during a funeral discourse. (Compare 2 Samuel 1:17-27.) When the dead one has been faithful to God until death, he or she becomes an excellent example to be imitated. (Hebrews 6:12) It is good to ponder over the integrity-keeping course of God’s servants. Sharing these positive thoughts with others during a funeral service provides comfort to the living and honors the memory of the dead.

True Christians do not worship the dead. They do not engage in popular rites that conflict with Bible truths. On the other hand, God’s servants reject the extreme view that because the dead are merely dust, all funeral customs are purposeless and unnecessary. They mourn and remember their dead. But their pain and sorrow is tempered with the Bible truths that the dead do not suffer and that there is the hope of a resurrection.

Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful.

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