Haven't they flip flopped on the minister thing?
When mine first joined up and considered himself a minister I truly laughed at that. He, naturally, did not appreciate that. I asked, "so, after 'studying' for 6 months and getting dunked you think you are a minister?" I could hardly believe it! In the real world ministers go to college, often learn Greek and Hebrew, take classes on how to do family and marriage counseling, learn history, etc..etc...