Question for previous elders...very important.

by diana netherton 15 Replies latest jw friends

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  outsmartthesystem

  "So as long as you're repentant, it doesn't matter"

  Not true either. Yes....if you kiss the asses of the elders on the JC.....you may very well live to fight another day. But if one or two of them have a vendetta against you.....regardless of how repentant you are.....it could be all over.

  Here is a true example. Elder Joe is the ministry school overseer. Swell guy. Just got done giving me an earful for lack of participation in meetings and no service time. 10 days later Elder Joe is disfellowshipped for adultery. Now.....Elder Joe is a sincerely good person. Elder Joe was having an affair and realized how wrong he was. He confessed. He was front row and center with tears in his eyes when the announcement that he was disfellowshipped was made. Any man that is front row and center for such an announcement had to have been repentant in his JC. Yet supposedly only "unrepentant" wrongdoers get the boot? Are you telling me that this man looked the elders in the eye and said that he is NOT remorseful.....and then showed up with tears in his eyes for the announcement of his own disfellowshipping just days later?

  And consider this. Yet another true story. I was once dating a presiding overseer's daughter. (well....not really. We were both 17. We "liked" each other but weren't allowed to date of course). She told me about a problem that her dad was having with another elder. (yes....her dad blabbed secretive elder stuff to her) My girlfriend's older sister was having a jucicial committee meeting for "immoral activities". The other elder (who was on the sister's JC) approached him and attempted to make him an offer he couldn't refuse. He said "I'll go easy on your daughter if you do the same for my kids if they ever get in trouble".

  Wrong verdicts are made. Vendettas are carried out. "Deals" are made. It happens. Certainly not all the time but it happens
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  diana netherton

  Wow...good examples. Would this relative be under obligation to tell the overlords?
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  wha happened?

  I knew of one personally. He was serving as an elder and there was an investigation of missing equipment. While the investigation was on going, he made several statement sfrom the podium that it was without any facts, completely untrue. Well it ws true and along with missing equipment, turned out he would buy it on the company's dime and sell more. People should have known better. This elder was basically working in the tool shed checking equipment out, and he's trveling to China, Greece, other parts of the world on that meager pay.

  The company offered a plea bargain and he took it, which is pretty much admiting to some guilt. Well his statements from the podium weren't forgotten so now he's a theif and a liar. DF'd.
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  thetrueone

  People use religion sometimes to cover themselves with a pretentious white sheet of purity and goodness.

  Some times it works, some times it doesn't .

  But for many its invariably worth the try.
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  truth_b_known

  A congregation I belonged to included about 40 publishers who were prisoners in two state prisons in our territory. A number of elders would go to the prisons to conduct the book study and the Watchtower study there. These convicted murderers, robbers, rapists, and child molesters who were "brothers" would report their field service time and it would be included in our congregation's monthly report.

  The elders who would go out to the prisons could never stop talking about it. Every talk, every comment from the platform, every comment they made as a member of the audience would be tied in to the prison. Now, if you become a police officer you'll lose all your privileges, but if you get convicted of child molestation and go to prison you can still be an exemplary publisher.

  One day a brother I knew had an emotional breakdown and robbed a local bank. He was arrested about 1 block from the bank. Elders in his congregation contacted him at the county jail and told him that he was being disfellowshipped. Go directly to shunned. Do not have a judicial committee.
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  wha happened?

  There were two sisters in the 90's that commited murder. The PO in my cong had to visit them in prison so they could DF them. Not 3 brothers just 1