Anyone ever went from Athiesm to Theism?

by Silent_Scream 29 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Silent_Scream
    Silent_Scream

    If so, how'd that happen?

  • Ding
    Ding

    Are you asking about JWN members only or about any celebrated cases of an atheist becoming a theist? The latter would include C.S. Lewis, Lee Strobel, and Anthony Flew, among others.

  • Lore
    Lore

    I did. . . but I don't remember how it happened very well since I was a toddler at the time.

  • Silent_Scream
    Silent_Scream

    Ding - Anyone on JWN or whom we've personally known... But I would like to lookup those names you've listed.

  • Ding
    Ding
    But I would like to lookup those names you've listed.

    C.S. Lewis wrote a lot of books including the Chronicles of Narnia and "Mere Christianity." "Surprised by Joy" is his autobiography, I believe.

    Anthony Flew was a famous atheist who became a theist shortly before his death last year. If you google him, you can see him discuss this on Youtube.

    Lee Strobel describes his journey from atheism to Christianity in "The Case for Christ." He also has a website at www.leestrobel.com.

  • Anony Mous
    Anony Mous

    Please note that of the above examples, Strobel claimed he was an atheist but then he went on to become a Christian megachurch pastor - thus take this with a grain of salt.

    Both C.S. Lewis and Flew were theists/deists later in life and only out of convenience or maybe because they were being confronted with their own mortality imho. Believing in a god of the gaps really rather than the Islamo-christian gods.

    Yes, you can 'convert' from atheism to anything as much as the other way around but most people describe themselves as being atheist while not really understanding any of the arguments for or against it. They just are atheists out of convenience or because evidence for a god seems far-fetched. However if you examine the evidence there is maybe place for a god of the gaps, gaps we're now filling in with science, the Christian god is grossly out of proportion with anything we can see.

  • Ding
    Ding
    Please note that of the above examples, Strobel claimed he was an atheist but then he went on to become a Christian megachurch pastor - thus take this with a grain of salt.

    People who become megachurch pastors can't be genuine converts from atheism? Read his story for yourself. Contact him through his website if you want to assess his motives.

    Both C.S. Lewis and Flew were theists/deists later in life and only out of convenience or maybe because they were being confronted with their own mortality imho.

    C.S. Lewis described himself as "the most reluctant convert" to theism of anyone in history. He was an Oxford don who became one of the greatest Christian writers and apologists of the 20th century. Flew was a celebrated debater favoring atheism until his conversion to theism, which he said was based on the findings of science regarding the complexity of life.

    Read or listen to their own accounts and draw your own conclusions.

  • AvocadoJake
    AvocadoJake

    Anthony Flew's conversion has vexed not a few, his change of view, has brought on name calling (He has gone insane, he is senile.) and bewildered quite a few individuals. Francis Collins is suppose to be a deist, Collins a brilliant scientist (Genome Team Leader.) wrote "The God Code?".

  • Witness My Fury
    Witness My Fury

    Yes, my naive young (20) mother with kids went from athiest to fully fledged hardcore JW with very opposed husband, .... She's 73 now and has wasted not only her own life but those of her children and husband (never became JW but more tolerant) and the many she helped study with and get baptized to this stupid CULT.

    How did it happen? Well, my mother likes knowledge and the hook was the young children... The person who knocked her door used them as the bait .." wouldn't you want to be able to answer their Bible questions when they get older?" or something similar, also her showing my mother Gods name in the Bible was a big deal.

  • IsaacJ22
    IsaacJ22

    People who become megachurch pastors can't be genuine converts from atheism? Read his story for yourself. Contact him through his website if you want to assess his motives.

    ....

    C.S. Lewis described himself as "the most reluctant convert" to theism of anyone in history. He was an Oxford don who became one of the greatest Christian writers and apologists of the 20th century. Flew was a celebrated debater favoring atheism until his conversion to theism, which he said was based on the findings of science regarding the complexity of life.

    Read or listen to their own accounts and draw your own conclusions.

    Let me say that I'm sure there are plenty of people who go from theism to atheism for reasons many of us would consider totally legit. Anyone can have a change of heart and I think we're all entitled to that. All XJWs should certainly know that one.

    But there are also evangelical people who make this claim and who seem...disingenuine at times. At least to atheists. Many atheists have been confronted by an evangelist or two who seemed determined to make converts by any means necessary. Even lying. Sometimes they say things like, "Yeah, I used to be an atheist. My life was a horrible lie and I was terrible person. Just like you. Then I accepted God into my heart and now everything is just skippy. Maybe you should give it a try instead of wallowing in your shallow misery. Jesus loves you, you know, and so do I."

    ????

    It's hard not to roll your eyes at people who say crap like this. Its not only offensive, it's also clear just how clueless such a person is.

    Experiences like these make atheists a little suspicious when we hear people make the "I was an athesit too" claim. I think most atheists, like myself, know that such conversions can happen. It's not as if we're all too proud to conceive of such a thing. It's just that people making the claim often do so dishonestly. Not always, but often. So as soon as someone tells us this, some of us start paying close attention to see if their claim appears genuine.

    In other words, I hope you won't take it too personally when an atheist treats these claims with suspicion. Especially if there's a good reason to do so.

    With regard to C.S. Lewis and Anthony Flew, there are good reasons to think that Anony Mous's claims about each of them have at least som merit. C.S. Lewis seems far too clueless about atheists or atheism to have ever been much of a nonbeliever. His writing seems ill informed and even deliberately offensive to athests at times. He is the classic "I was an atheist too but then I became a good person" kinda guy. His writing about atheists seems more like pandering to fundamentalists who dislike us. Kinda like the Watchtower's writing on atheists has often been.

    Several of Anthony Flew's friends have gone public and said he's going senile. I even read a few interviews at the time where the ones doing the interview were saddened by what they perceived as his slipping mental state. I have no idea if those writers were atheists with an axe to grind or not. These claims about Flew might be false, but they are out there. BTW, many made a big deal out of his conversion to deism (not theism AFAIK, but to deism, which is different) at the time as if it was a huge blow to atheists. Yet many of us had never even heard of Anthony Flew before this story went out. I certainly hadn't. His time was long before my time. So most us just kinda shrugged at the whole thing.

    I know nothing about Strobel. But I don't think it's unreasonable to raise eyebrows at a guy who went from atheist to mega-church creator. That doesn't mean it can't happen and be genuine. But I think we can all admit that his story is a tiny bit fishy. I think most people would want to hear more before they took his claims at face value. Or at least I'd say that based on what I just read here.

    None of this means that conversion from atheism can't happen. I'm sure it can. But I certainly don't believe every story I hear either.

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