Was Jesus a REAL person?

by Black Man 20 Replies latest jw friends

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  jonathan dough

  Fully God, fully man. God the Son, the hypostatic union, a divine person who assumed a human nature.

  What he wasn't was JUST a man as the JWs incorrectly teach. And he most certainly wasn't Michael the archangel preincarnate.

  One little known piece of doctrine the Jehovah's Witnesses like to keep hidden from newcomers is their belief that pre-incarnate Jesus, the Word before He became flesh, was in fact an angel, Michael the archangel. Being a mere angel, their preincarnate Jesus was created, He had a beginning. The archangel Michael became flesh and was nothing more or less than a man while on earth. Then, after His resurrection and ascension to heaven Jesus became a type of superangel.
  
  This theory is diametrically opposed to mainstream Christian teaching on the nature of the Word and Jesus Christ. Christians believe the Word was God, God the Son, and while on earth He was a divine person who assumed a human nature. Jesus was, and is, God-man. The Word, God the Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity, is eternal; he was not created and as John 1:1 attests, the Word was God.
  
  This notion that Jesus was Michael an angel, specifically the archangel Michael, is considered bizarre in the extreme to Christians and amounts to blasphemy. The Jehovah's Witnesses' arguments in this regard are scripturally baseless. The case against Jesus being the archangel Michael is profound, and the scriptural proofs that Jesus is God-man alone disprove the Jehovah's Witnesses' theory. For example, as only God may be worshipped and Jesus was worshipped then Jesus is God and not a man. The letter to the Hebrews also makes it abundantly clear that the Son's position is far above that of angels, that God the Son is not an angel. The list of reasons why preincarnate Jesus the Word is not Michael the angel, that He is not Michael the archangel, is extensive as the below websites explain in great detail. The Jehovah's Witnesses' false doctrine that the Word was merely a created angel and that Jesus on earth was nothing more than a man amounts to heresy.
  
  http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/jesus_michael_angel_archangel.html
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  transhuman68

  Jesus seems to live on in our minds, long after we have discarded all the other Bible myths; he seems much more believable than the "Jehovah" of the OT, and is a part of mainstream culture in the West.It's probably impossible to be certain if Jesus ever existed or not, as all writings about him were written long after his supposed death, but some of the early Church fathers had some ideas about Jesus, such as the miracles never happened, and Jesus was 50 when he died. One good question is, do you believe the laws of physics were suspended 2,000 years ago to enable the events recorded in the Gospels to occur? If Jesus didn't exist, the Jews would have had to invent him, as the destruction of Jerusalem and the the temple in 70 c.e. would have produced a crisis of belief in the minds of the Jewish believers back then. The solution was Jesus and the kingdom of the heavens.
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  myelaine

  dear undercover...

  you said: "The legend of a man that dared to stand up to oppressiveness became the martyred hero of the oppressed and his story was embellished and added on to as time went by so that now we have legends that either God himself came in man's form, or in the very least, is God's 1st born sent to earth."...

  By the testimony of two or three witnesses the matter is established (john 1:6-8; john 5:31-32,39).

  since NT times the rabbi's have made a lengthy list of different "signs" that would signal the advent of their Messiah but the scripture shows that at the time of the first advent of Jesus Christ there weren't as many "signs" BUT the "signs" that needed to be fullfilled were even MORE miraculous because only God could preform them...

  luke 4:16-22

  in the gospel of john we are shown that john the baptist and the jews were expecting someone(john 1:31; matthew 11:2-3). Jesus said that He was fulfilling all the signs of the promised Messiah(matthew 11:4-6)

  Jesus heals the man BORN blind...john 9:1-30

  Jesus heals the lame...luke 5:16-25; matt 9:1-8; mark 2:1-12

  Jesus heals leapers...luke 5:12-15; matt 8:2-4; mark 1:40-45

  Jesus heals the deaf...mark 7:31-37

  Jesus raises someone who had been dead for AT LEAST three days...john 11:43-47

  Jesus did these "signs" and more to bring glory to God and the religious leaders knew that He was fulfilling all the required "signs" john 11:47; matthew 12:14...ALL this before your "witness"...as you said: "his story was embellished and added on to as time went by so that now we have legends..."

  love michelle
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  designs

  The ideas of an Apocalyptic Messiah began around 500 years before the Jesus of Nazareth narative. Miracle workers or Healers were also contemporaries with the JON story. The Essenes and the Hasidim had reported miracle workers in their sects, Honi ha-Magel and Hanina ben Dosa being a couple those mentioned in the Midrash.
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  tec

  Yeshua ben Yoseph,

  Hanina ben Dosa

  What does 'ben' stand for (or mean), Designs?
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  myelaine

  dear tec...

  "ben" means son of

  love michelle
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  tec

  Thank you, Michelle.

  Peace,

  Tammy
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  designs

  Yes, So tec you are the 'bat' daughter of your father.
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  tec

  Cool, thanks.

  Also Gimli ben Gloin :P
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  myelaine

  dear designs...

  did these reported miracle workers rouse the repeated attention of the pharisees for over three years to the degree that they would travel out of their comfort zone in order to debunk them? did the pharisees plot to kill these other miracle workers?...

  love michelle