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To garyneal and Others, Evidence that the anointed remnants represented by the GB were selected in 1919.
by mankkeli 152 Replies latest jw experiences
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sd-7
As much as I approach this thread with serious hesitation, I think I at least wanted to offer a straightforward response here.
The title of this thread says it will provide "evidence". So, at this point, what needs to be posted here is SCRIPTURAL PROOF that the agents of the Watchtower Society--Joseph F. Rutherford and his associates--were chosen by Jesus Christ in the year 1919 to provide spiritual food for God's household, to the exclusion of all other Christians on the face of the earth.
However, the problem is that this is an assumption based on an understanding taught by the very people claiming to be the "faithful slave" class. Matthew 24:45-47 makes no mention of the year 1919 as having any significance or pertaining to the prophecies made in Matthew 24. Jesus said, "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?" There is a question mark there, indicating that this is not a statement. Jesus did not say, "There will be a faithful slave CLASS, CHOSEN BY ME IN 1919 TO PROVIDE SPIRITUAL FOOD". That would be a prophetic statement. Jesus names no person or group of persons as definitely fulfilling this role; he asks a question. Only the master can appoint the slave over his domestics. Thus, any human informing others that he and his buddies fulfill this role is really only a group of humans saying it; it does not actually prove anything. What makes it worse is that immediately after this supposed appointment in 1919, Rutherford and his associates commence a worldwide campaign of disseminating a message that is demonstrably false, a message no longer taught and hardly spoken of today. Jesus Christ would have given any such "slave class" clearer instructions and a definite message from the start.
The context, Matthew chapter 24, demonstrates that Jesus had already transitioned from giving specific details about the sign of the end to giving illustrations highlighting the need for obedience, sharing the good news, and watchfulness. The "faithful slave" is a term used metaphorically, not a term used to convey authority to a group of men who would be members of a governing body.
"Governing body" is a term not used in scripture, like "organization", "John class", "theocracy", and quite a few others. To govern is to rule. Paul warned first-century Christians who thought they had started ruling without the rest of the Christians back then. (1 Cor. 4:8) As of today, only Jesus Christ rules as king, so far as any human can verify. And even that is verifiable only by eyewitnesses who lived 2,000 years ago. Any other claims regarding the resurrection of 'anointed' ones are even less verifiable. The apostles made their decision regarding circumcision in Acts 15 in conjunction with the older men in the congregation of Jerusalem. It was a decision that had already been made by holy spirit; the evidence was undeniable. The apostles were only informing the congregations of what had already been determined by an authority far higher than they--the holy spirit. Unlike the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses today, they involved the older men and probably the entire congregation in the discussion they were having; there were no closed-door sessions where they had to wonder what was being discussed. The fact that this sort of meeting is never mentioned again in scripture is an indication that it was more likely the exception and not the rule as far as the congregation back then. Paul spends Galatians 1-2 explaining that he didn't consider himself subject to the apostles at all, as his appointment came from Jesus Christ directly. The Governing Body of JWs would have summarily disfellowshipped him had he done something like that today.
Worse still is the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses actually denied the existence of a governing body over the early Christian congregation as late as 1929 in The Watchtower--10 years after the "slave class" was appointed!
Even the Society itself provides more evidence than you have thus far provided in this thread. As the final authority for Jehovah's Witnesses is presumably the Bible, you need to use the Bible to prove your points.
--sd-7
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thetrueone
thetrueone - if JWs couldn't examine the facts, what would I be doing here?.
All of the accumulating facts about this religion's doctrines that helped to create this organization, such how they arrived at 1914, 1925 and before
and 1975 there is such a long list of intensionally inspired misinformation to attract attention to the organization and their published works.
Did you not do any kind of research before joining ?
The point is the gospel according the Watchtower Corporation is not the gospel of the bible its from themselves for themselves.
Go across the street and you'll hear a bunch of other false doctrines from another church and they will also tell about the false religious
teachings of the JWS ........get it.
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mankkeli
sd-7 "Governing body" is a term not used in scripture, like "organization", "John class", "theocracy", and quite a few others. To govern is to rule. Paul warned first-century Christians who thought they had started ruling without the rest of the Christians back then. (1 Cor. 4:8) As of today, only Jesus Christ rules as king, so far as any human can verify. And even that is verifiable only by eyewitnesses who lived 2,000 years ago. Any other claims regarding the resurrection of 'anointed' ones are even less verifiable."
Paul is definitely not against leadership arrangement, He even played a substantial role in ensuring the organization of the first century christain congregation.
LeavingWT - Check your PM.
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Vidqun
Mankkeli, I still don't have an answer to my question. Is above quote up-to-date?
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Hoffnung
The 1st world war cannot be used as an argument to support the 1914 prophecy, for the simple fact that it started too early. The 2520 years ended in october/november 1914, whereas the war had already begun in June. Satan and his hordes were only thrown out of heaven AFTER the start of the kingdom (autumn 1914).
About the socalled good attitude of the Bible students back in the day, it is good to remember that Russel sold "miracle wheat" for an enormous price. Furthermore the colpolters of the day were there to "sell" the volumes of studies in the scriptures, even if the very same volume with a different name was already in the household. If JW of today would hold on to the attitude and teachings of 1919, they would be disfellowshipped.
Examining the details of what the society published just before and after 1919, proves there was no selection at all going on. Actually this was proven by the fact that 10 years later, the Bible students under Rutherford had halved in number. If there would be some kind of blessing by Holy Spirit, you would expect an opposite result.
Hoffnung
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PSacramento
Paul is definitely not against leadership arrangement, He even played a substantial role in ensuring the organization of the first century christain congregation.
If by that you mean he went against what was being promoted by James and Peter in regards to the gentiles and preached what HE wanted HOW he wanted and preached that ALL wer eunder Christ with NO ONE being more than anyone else, then Yes, He did that.
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mankkeli
Vidqun - That was an extract from sd-7's write-up.
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Vidqun
No, it wasn't. But in any case, seeing that you are the expert, one question. What killed the two witnesses? Clue: Rev. 11:7
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00DAD
mankkeli: You should know that when someone with my academic background is defending a claim tooth and nail, such claim had been measured and weighed against all facts and its genuity had been proven beyond any doubt.
Well judging by your spelling skills, your mangled grammar and syntax, your awkward usage of common figures of speech and the way you mix your metaphors, I'd rate your "academic background" at around 5th or 6th grade with a "C" average.
What the heck is "genuity" supposed to mean anyway?!?
