Sodom & Gomorrah - Nuclear Holocaust?

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  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Were the ancient civilisations far more technologically advanced than previously has been given credit for? Did they possess advanced weaponry systems? Do the scriptures back this up?

    Another interesting site:

    http://www.geocities.co./EnchantedForest/dell/14222/Evidence.html

    Let me know your views.

    Peace

    Mark
    [email protected]

    PS Harumphhhhh!! Another broken link, then as before, go to http://www.google.com and type in the search box, 'lost kingdoms ice age india', and the weblink is the 'Fourth' entry down.

    Most interesting stuff, well, if you like that sort of thing.

    All is great botherations and fiddlesticks, whilst we're at it, Free Tibet & Drop The Debt and all that ....

    Mysteriouslady, please take the helm.

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    Hey Celtic!

    Sorry to hear that you're 25 and out.
    I have heard about this old city in India that predates most estimates for the beginnings of civilization.

    Did you see any pictures?

    I will have to look this up again later, as I don't have time now.

    Thanks,

    cellomould

    "In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Ai, related to that subject yes, the documentary was on for well over an hour, with much emphasis on the oral tradition of the very old Vedic Scriptures and the Indus Valley in Gujarat.

    Got me thinking very deeply.

    You OK? Lets us know how your'e doing, yes?

    Peace

    Mark

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    Hey Mark,

    yeah, me is okay! Thanks for asking.
    And what you probably did not want to know: I have to use the john right now, pretty badly.

    How are you?

    I may catch you later... he hehe hehehe

    cellomould

    "In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    Is this the right one? Ancient Nuclear Warfare

    “On August 29th, 1997, it's gonna feel pretty f---ing real to you too. Anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day. Get it?” --Sarah Connor, Terminator 2

    "Thank you, India." --Alanis Morissette

    There is evidence that the Rama empire (now India) was devastated by nuclear war. The Indus valley is now the Thar desert, and the site of the radioactive ash found west of Jodhpur is around there.

    Consider these verses from the ancient (6500 BC at the latest) Mahabharata:

    ...a single projectile
    Charged with all the power of the Universe.
    An incandescent column of smoke and flame
    As bright as the thousand suns
    Rose in all its splendour...
    a perpendicular explosion
    with its billowing smoke clouds...
    ...the cloud of smoke
    rising after its first explosion
    formed into expanding round circles
    like the opening of giant parasols...
    ..it was an unknown weapon,
    An iron thunderbolt,
    A gigantic messenger of death,
    Which reduced to ashes
    The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
    ...The corpses were so burned
    As to be unrecognisable.
    The hair and nails fell out;
    Pottery broke without apparent cause,
    And the birds turned white.

    After a few hours
    All foodstuffs were infected...
    ...to escape from this fire
    The soldiers threw themselves in streams
    To wash themselves and their equipment.

    Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though it is not a cure.

    When excavations of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro reached the street level, they discovered skeletons scattered about the cities, many holding hands and sprawling in the streets as if some instant, horrible doom had taken place. People were just lying, unburied, in the streets of the city. And these skeletons are thousands of years old, even by traditional archaeological standards. What could cause such a thing? Why did the bodies not decay or get eaten by wild animals? Furthermore, there is no apparent cause of a physically violent death.

    These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on par with those at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At one site, Soviet scholars found a skeleton which had a radioactive level 50 times greater than normal. Other cities have been found in northern India that show indications of explosions of great magnitude. One such city, found between the Ganges and the mountains of Rajmahal, seems to have been subjected to intense heat. Huge masses of walls and foundations of the ancient city are fused together, literally vitrified! And since there is no indication of a volcanic eruption at Mohenjo-Daro or at the other cities, the intense heat to melt clay vessels can only be explained by an atomic blast or some other unknown weapon. The cities were wiped out entirely.

    While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.

    Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita: "'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.' I suppose we all felt that way." When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was, "Well, yes, in modern history."

    Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is, fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

    Another curious sign of an ancient nuclear war in India is a giant crater near Bombay. The nearly circular 2,154-metre-diameter Lonar crater, located 400 kilometres northeast of Bombay and aged at less than 50,000 years old, could be related to nuclear warfare of antiquity. No trace of any meteoric material, etc., has been found at the site or in the vicinity, and this is the world's only known "impact" crater in basalt. Indications of great shock (from a pressure exceeding 600,000 atmospheres) and intense, abrupt heat (indicated by basalt glass spherules) can be ascertained from the site.

    The echoes of ancient atomic warfare in southern Asia continue to this day, with India and Pakistan currently threatening each other. Modern India is proud of its nukes, likening them to "Rama's Arrow". Similarly, Pakistan would love to use its Islamic atomic bombs on India. Ironically, Kashmir, possibly the site of an earlier atomic war, is the focus of this conflict. Will the past repeat itself in Pakistan and India?

    Sodom and Gomorrah... Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    The destruction of the Biblical cities Sodom and Gomorrah (a dense column of smoke rose rapidly, a cloud rained burning sulfur, the surrounding soil was turned into sulfur and salt so that not even a blade of grass could grow there, and anyone in the vicinity turned to salt) sounds like a nuclear blast. If the pillars of salt at the end of the Dead Sea (which are still there today) were ordinary salt, they would have disappeared with the periodic rains. Instead, these pillars are of a special, harder salt, only created in a nuclear reaction such as an atomic explosion.

    Let's also look at Deuteronomy 32:32-33: "Their vine grows from the vine of Sodom, from the vineyards of Gomorrah. Their grapes are poison, and their clusters are bitter. Their wine is the venom of snakes, the deadly poison of vipers." Radioactive plants are known to be dangerous to eat.

    Other cities have been similarly destroyed: Admah and Zeboiim (Deuteronomy 29:23), Edom and Teman (Jeremiah:49:7-22), and Moab and Amman (Zephanian 2:9). (Why are these cities always destroyed in pairs?) In each account, there are references to Sodom and Gomorrah. We now know what happened to Babylon: "Babylon, the most glorious of kingdoms, the flower of Chaldean culture, will be devastated like Sodom and Gomorrah when God destroyed them. Babylon will never rise again. Generation after generation will come and go, but the land will never again be lived in. Nomads will refuse to camp there, and shepherds will not allow their sheep to stay overnight." --Isaiah, 13:19-20.

    But didn't all this happen after the flood? The flood was the ending of the Ice Age, which meant the end of Atlantis. But there is a direct correlation between areas 4,920 feet or higher above sea level and centers of agriculture. Apparently the tsunamis didn't get any higher than that. Since there are very high mountains in the Rama Empire, it lasted until it was destroyed in nuclear war a thousand years after the "sinking" of Atlantis, so that would be 8600 BC. Since Babylon was destroyed in nuclear war, it must be a lot older than we think. The skeletons must appear younger to archaeologists, just like those in Mohenjo-Daro.

    Osiris

    Atlantis and Rama were not the only advanced civilizations in the world at that time. The Mediterranean was a large and fertile valley. This ancient civilization, pre-dating dynastic Egypt, was known as Osiris. The Nile river came out of Africa, as it does today, and was called the River Stix. However, instead of flowing into the Mediterranean Sea at the Nile Delta in northern Egypt, it continued into the valley, and then turned westward to flow in the deepest part of the Mediterranean Valley where it created a large lake and then flowed out between Malta and Sicily, and south of Sardinia into the Atlantic at Gibraltar (the Pillars of Hercules). When the sea level rose, it flooded the Mediterranean Basin, destroying the Osirians' great cities and forcing them to move to higher ground. This theory helps explain the strange megalithic remains found throughout the Mediterranean. It is an archaeological fact that there are more than 200 known sunken cities in the Mediterranean. That must be where the Pyramids came from.

    Given that the ancients had nuclear capabilities, we know that they had the technology of 1945 at the earliest. Many things had to be discovered and invented before a nuclear explosion could take place. We do not know exactly what technology they had. However, since there are no people in space, we know they never colonized space, probably because they had no spacecraft. Even the wooden or plastic objects that weren't submerged would have disintegrated by now, so we have no idea what they had that was made out of those materials. But we do know that they used crystals. Aside from being used for clocks and radios, crystals can also be used to store information. A 1-cm cubic crystal could store 125 gigabytes, or as much as eight Pentium III processors. Maybe when we develop such technology (according to Moore's law, it will probably be by 2020), we will be able to access what they put on their crystal computers.

    The Agastya Samhita, an ancient Indian text, gives directions on how to make a battery: "Place a well-cleaned copper plate in an earthenware vessel. Cover it first by copper sulfate and then moist sawdust. After that put a mercury-amalgamated-zinc sheet on top of an energy known by the twin name of Mitra-Varuna. Water will be split by this current into Pranavayu and Udanavayu. A chain of one hundred jars is said to give a very active and effective force." By the way, Mitra-Varuna is now called cathode-anode, and Pranavayu and Udanavayu are to us oxygen and hydrogen, respectively.

    According to the Bible, anyone who touched the Ark of the Covenant, which contained the Ten commandments, would die. (Numbers 4:15) The only way touching an object can kill a person is if electricity is flowing through it.

    Blood type O is characteristic of the native races of the Americas (the Bororo, Mayans and Incas are all virtually 100% group O, and the Navajos are 73% group O), the Canarian Guanches of the Basques of France and Spain, the Scandinavians, the Celts of the British Isles and the Atlantic coasts of France, as well as certain peoples of Polynesia and Indonesia. All these areas have ancient megalithic structures. The Atlanteans would have had to have blood type O, as do 60% of Caucasians in the United States. So at least some Atlanteans were Caucasian. It is being discovered that there were Caucasians in many of the ancient civilizations. (Click here for evidence.) While racists will say that it's because Caucasians are the master race and brought civilization to the other races, I would say it's because many Atlanteans were Caucasian. Mesopotamia started shortly after the Ice Age ended, and is said to be the cradle of civilization. Guess who founded it?

    Piri Reis Map

    This map is from a combination of the Piri Reis map (1513) and a modern Mercator projection. Unfolded at obvious points the map fits well over a modern Mercator, with Europe, Africa and South America in perfect alignment, 56 years before Mercator introduced this projection which stretched latitude and longitude into equal areas for accurate navigation. The Reis map, heavy line, overlays the modern Mercator, light line, almost perfectly. The light line rectangle with the clipped corner is the outside edge of the Reis map. Reis explained his use of graphic information collected from as far back as Alexander the Great.

    Sixteen major cities are illustrated on the map; eleven in Africa, four in the Americas and only one in Europe. In addition, sixty nine minor cities are plotted; twelve in the Americas.

    This map is the first to correctly illustrate the entire Atlantic, covering both shores from approximately 50 degrees north to 60 degrees south. Columbus, of course, never traveled to the north and south shores of the Americas.

    Just some of the underwater ruins so far found include:
    A pyramid explored by Dr. Ray Brown on the sea floor off the Bahamas in 1970. Brown was accompanied by 4 divers who also found roads, domes, rectangular buildings, unidentified metallic instruments, and a statue holding a mysterious crystal containing miniature pyramids. The metal devices and crystals were taken to Florida for analysis at a university there. What was discovered was that the crystal amplified energy that passed through it.
    Ruins of roads and buildings found off Binini Island in the 1960's by the photographed and published expeditions of Dr Mansan Valentine. Similar ruins were also photographed off Cay Sal in the Bahamas. Similar underwater ruins were found off Morocco and photographed 50 to 60 feet underwater.
    A huge 11 room pyramid found 10,000 feet under water in the mid Atlantic Ocean with a huge crystal top, as reported by Tony Benlk.
    A 1977 report of a huge pyramid found off Cay Sal in the Bahamas, photographed by Ari Marshall's expedition, about 150 feet underwater. The pyramid was about 650 feet high. Mysteriously the surrounding water was lit by sparkling white water flowing out of the openings in the pyramid and surrounded by green water, instead of the black water everywhere else at that depth.
    A sunken city about 400 miles off Portugal found by Soviet expeditions led by Boris Asturua, with buildings made of extremely strong concrete and plastics. He said "the remains of streets suggests the use of monorails for transportation". He also brought up a statue.
    A marble acropolis underwater across five acres of fluted columns raised on pillars.
    In 1954, a strange object was found in Colombia, and experts concluded that it was a model of an airplane.

    Approximately 2 inches long the object was worn as a pendant on a neck chain. It was classified as Sinu, a pre-Inca culture from A.D. 500 to 800. Both Sanderson and Dr. Arthur Poyslee of the Aeronautical Institute of New York concluded it did not represent any known winged animal. In fact, the little artifact appears more mechanical than biological. For example, the front wings are delta-shaped and rigidly straight edged, very un-animal-like.

    The rudder is perhaps the most un-animal but airplane-like item. It is right-triangle, flat-surfaced, and rigidly perpendicular to the wings. Only fish have upright tail fins, but none have exclusively an upright flange without a counter-balancing lower one. Adding to the mystery, an insignia appears on the left face of the rudder, precisely where ID marks appear on many airplanes today. The insignia is perhaps as out-of place as the gold model itself, for it has been identified as the Aramaic or early Hebrew letter beth or B. This may indicate that the original plane did not come from Colombia, but was the product of a very early people inhabiting the Middle East who knew the secret of flying. These had to be the Osirians.

  • Celtic
    Celtic

    Cheers Anewperson, I appreciate that, many thanks.

    What do you make of this? Interested in your opinion?

    Take care & peace

    Mark

  • dmouse
    dmouse

    WOW, this really freaked me out when I read it. It makes a kind of sense - the human race has been around for tens of thousands of years and an advanced civilisation could have arisen which may have wiped itself out (like we nearly did in the 60's. Who knows?

    However, for a balanced view, check out this page:

    http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id9.html

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Hey guys, this is some interesting stuff...thanks.

    ashi

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Plutonium has a half life of around 25,000 years, I think... so any major nuclear detonation would show up using a classroom geiger counter. Sad but true, harsh but fair. Oh, I suppose they could have been neutron bombs or death rays...

    While the skeletons have been carbon-dated to 2500 BC, we must keep in mind that carbon-dating involves measuring the amount of radiation left. When atomic explosions are involved, that makes then seem much younger.
    If the bomb produced the same isotopes as are being measured. IF.

    People in the vicinity of a nuclear blast are blown to pieces by a pressure wave/debris, or reduced to their component molecules by heating, or carbonised by heating, or all three in very quick succesion. No pillars of salt have ever been recorded being produced by a nuclear explosion. Salt pillars are common-place in the area.

    A 1-cm cubic crystal could
    THEORETICALLY

    store 125 gigabytes, or as much as eight Pentium III processors
    I thought memory stored information and processors... processed it..! Yes, there is the FSB, or is it a BSB, of 125kb, or maybe 256kb, on a CPU, but that means you would need at least 488,000 PIII's, but using them for memory storage, as pointed out, is silly; about a thousand 128Meg DIMM's would be a better way of expressing it...

    "Beware those who don't know what they are talking about"

    Third Book of Abaddon, Chapter 4, Verse 18

    Maybe when we develop such technology (according to Moore's law, it will probably be by 2020), we will be able to access what they put on their crystal computers.
    Maybe, if it's possible to store information in crystals, if information was ever stored in those crystals, and if we ever can backwards engineer the process, but it's a tad more involved than walking around the local New Age shop plugging crystals into your Palm XII and is based on the assumption that this happened.

    The only way touching an object can kill a person is if electricity is flowing through it.
    Ignoring the typical assumption that a fairy story happened, what about contact poisons, coincidental heart-attack/anuerism, psychiosomatic self-willed death (as suffered by people who believe witch doctors can kill them through voodoo), so assumptive and wrong anyway...

    Blood type O is characteristic of the native races of the Americas (the Bororo, Mayans and Incas are all virtually 100% group O, and the Navajos are 73% group O), the Canarian Guanches of the Basques of France and Spain, the Scandinavians, the Celts of the British Isles and the Atlantic coasts of France, as well as certain peoples of Polynesia and Indonesia. All these areas have ancient megalithic structures. The Atlanteans would have had to have blood type O, as do 60% of Caucasians in the United States. So at least some Atlanteans were Caucasian.
    Oh, what a sentence, the way it leads you to an assertion it has no proof for... the statement "So at least some Atlanteans were Caucasian" is hidden amongst scientific data, giving it credability, even though it is just an assumption about a race that may have never existed.

    It is being discovered that there were Caucasians in many of the ancient civilizations. (Click here for evidence.)
    Hahahahaha... someone forgot to edit "(Click here for evidence.)" out when they cut and pasted without credit... oh, it's from the web site Mark posted at the top, so that's okay...

    While racists will say that it's because Caucasians are the master race and brought civilization to the other races, I would say it's because many Atlanteans were Caucasian. Mesopotamia started shortly after the Ice Age ended, and is said to be the cradle of civilization. Guess who founded it?
    "shortly after the Ice Age ended"... yeah, like thousands of years afterwards...

    Isn't it funny how there isn't ONE piece of good evidence for all this? Oh, howabout the Crystal Skulls? These beautiful life-size skulls carved from crystal that were meant to be relics of old civilisations who must have had high technology to make them so well? That turned out to be fakes with perfectly ordinary tool marks on them, if you bothered to look closely enough.

    Of course, no evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen... it just means it can't be proved to of happened... some of the evidence is interesting, but it really doesn't add up to proof...

    What I personally find interesting is traces of cocaine found in mummies. Unless this is due to contamination, this is clear evidence of New World-Old World trade, when they supposedly didn;t know of each other existence

    (bits added)

    People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

  • Kent
    Kent

    Well, it seems some of George W's ancestors visited the neighbourhood. Maybe the people in Sodom didn't like his way of life?

    LOL

    Yachyd Da

    Kent

    I need the new KM's as they come! Please send me scans!

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