Former Vice President Cheney Says He’s Worried About Stability In Iraq After US forces Leave

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  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    You know, I would have had more respect for your position would it have been that Iran didn't have a problem with Israel. Or, even better, the PEOPLE of Iran don't have a problem with Israel .

    Yes thats true but in spite of those constant expressed hatreds based mostly from religious prejudices, Iran knows very well who's watching them

    and its not just the US, they've got the world watching them with close scrutiny.

    If Iran were to invade Iraq in the near future, it would be a similar situation of when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

    The response by many concerning countries would be quick and deliberate.

    You cant attack a country like Israel or Iraq or any other surrounding countries in that region of the world without

    cultivating great opposition from other outside countries ie. the US.

    Are the Iranian leaders that stupid ? I don't think so.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    in spite of those constant expressed hatreds based mostly from religious prejudices, Iran knows very well who's watching them and its not just the US, they've got the world watching them with close scrutiny.

    As does... ummmmm, North Korea and China dear TTO (again, peace to you!)... and Syria... and Pakistan... and apparently, those don't care, either.

    If Iran were to invade Iraq in the near future, it would be a similar situation of when

    Iraq invaded Kuwait.

    Sigh. First, apparently you forget: Iraq invaded Iran... yet, the U.S. HELPED Iraq. Please... look up the Persian Gulf War. Second, I don't know if you're a JW, exJW, or what, dear one... but there's a verse in the Bible regarding the path of the righteous ones getting brighter and brighter. Many active JWs (and many inactive ones, as well), repeatedly state that verse as "the light gets brighter and brighter...", etc. It says one thing... yet, they continue to "see" another when they read it... and state that when they say it. My point? You keep referring to Iran "invading" places... Israel, now Iraq... when I've stated nothing of the sort. I did state that Iraq has a vendetta against Israel (and it does)... that it would go through the U.S., Iraq, Britain... and possibly Russia... to realize that goal. Does that mean Iran will invade the U.S.? Britain? Russia? Yet, somehow you've equate that to mean it WILL invade Iraq... and Israel. Invasion is not Iraq's agenda, dear one.

    As for Iran wanting to be left alone, I do not disagree. I did not say Iran was the "bad guy", here. I did say that I wasn't for... or against... Iran, the U.S. or anyone involved. It may be, however, that Iran is NOT "left alone," and decides to "do" something about that. Maybe.

    The response by many concerning countries would be quick and deliberate.

    After the fact, perhaps. Lots of damage done by that time, though, and again... not saying Iran is "successful" by their standards. Never said that they would accomplish their goal. Just said they had one... and what they will be willing to do to realize it.

    You cant attack a country like Israel or Iraq or any other surrounding countries in that region of the world without cultivating great opposition from other outside countries ie. the US.

    Oh, please. Israel is losing it's world popularity at a very rapid rate. The great regard it once enjoyed (post-Holocaust) is growing holes. Iraq has BEEN the invader, at least twice, in the past 30 years. And... as with, say, North Korea, that would depend on "where" Iraq is, in the world's "heart"... at that time. It may not be as... ummmmm... grateful... as the U.S. thinks it might be, in light of what the U.S. has "done" there. Given that the current Iraqi administration is promising a Shia/Shiite "rule"... the U.S. may actually come to regret the help it's given Iraq all these decades. Could be they "helped" the wrong country. Could be...

    Are the Iranian leaders that stupid ? I don't think so.

    Not that ignoring the U.S. and its allies is smart; again, not saying that Iran succeeds as THEY view success... but one should never estimate someone with a vendetta... and [other] powerful friends of their own, either. Whether a vendetta is warranted (which is rare) or not. Thinking that one of the oldest kingdoms on the planet, one that has survived virtually every "westen" takeover/control attempt... one that has seen folks like us come... and go... is going to go sit in the corner and "quiver" because "the U.S. says so"... is, IMHO, stupid. Some folks don't go just roll over... without a fight.

    Again, we'll just have to wait and see. Things can... and often do... change in a moment. Sometimes, all it takes is one assassination... and what folks THOUGHT could/would never happen... happens. World War II comes to mind (in light of the thinking that World War I would never being repeated). Absolutely discounting a World War III is, well, for lack of a better word... "stupid."

    Peace to you, truly... and I mean that for now... and later.

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Night Owl
    Night Owl

    Aguest,

    Never argue about what America does, or doesn't do, with a Canadian.

    They do not know what they are talking about.

    Night Owl

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    Again, we'll just have to wait and see. Things can... and often do... change in a moment. Sometimes, all it takes is one assassination... and what folks THOUGHT could/would never happen... happens. World War II comes to mind (in light of the thinking that World War I would never being repeated). Absolutely discounting a World War III is, well, for lack of a better word... "stupid."

    Of course, to say that any other war would never break out around the world, would be intellectually dishonest.

    You quoted a verse out of the bible, that the light continuously gets brighter. I'd to use that same verse as well as a model in how

    the world has improved upon its international relationships with one another in comparison from the past.

    The UN and its many connecting NGOs should be noted in taking some responsibility for that and rightly so.

    Opposing this observation are apocalyptic fear mongering religious cults like the JWs, who put forth the suggestion

    that the world and its political leaders are about to attack one another with devastating results such as the world has never seen before.

    This is false and misleading information from reality, to be sure.

    The story in the latest middle East war is about to be closed for good. The obvious proponents of the war such Dick Cheney are

    now saying we did the right thing and that the US removal of their military forces, will destabilized the middle east and war once

    again make an appearance. Dick and George were no doubt the biggest instigaters to going to Iraq and invading the country.

    Now the tallying up of what this specific war cost America in lives lost lives, ones permanently handicapped and the actual cost

    which is said to be a Trillion dollars US is really now being recognized by the greater public.

    Thats alot of weight on the shoulders for the ones who pretty much started the war, wouldn't you say ?

    Some people have the notion that if Iran gets nuclear capabilities that it will spur them on to be more aggressive in the middle east.

    I don't think so for they're also aware of the US presence close by that probably have more nuclear weaponry than Iran could ever dream of having.

    This is where the age of information and technology has helped, countries know who has what and where they are in relation to themselves.

    Iran also knows how important that part of the world is to other modern industrialized nations like Briton, Canada.... the list is long.

    There might be some internal instability in Iraq coming in the future, that remains to be seen.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    Aguest,

    Never argue about what America does, or doesn't do, with a Canadian.

    They do not know what they are talking about.

    Night Owl

    Hey I have dual citizenship with the US.

    Aguest ....

    If you are suggesting that Iraq could become politically unstable in the near future I would have to agree.

    As far as Iran making some assertive intervention into Iraq because of this, I don't think so.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dearest TTO... good morning and peace to you!

    Of course, to say that any other war would never break out around the world, would be intellectually dishonest.

    Yes, it would...

    You quoted a verse out of the bible, that the light continuously gets brighter.

    Your reading skills are beginning to concern me, dear one (LOLOL!). I never made such a quote. I would never make such a quote... because that is NOT what the verse says. Which was my point. Which is my point, now. You keep referring to things I "said"/did... that I did not. Since you are apparently unable to get that small thing straight, I don't wonder that you don't fully comprehend what it is I AM saying.

    I'd to use that same verse as well as a model in how the world has improved upon its international

    relationships with one another in comparison from the past.

    For now, yes. But there's always calm before the next storm. Has occurred all throughout history. Indeed, some entire empires have fallen because they THOUGHT "relations" were better. That's what their opponents WANTED them to think, so...

    The UN and its many connecting NGOs should be noted in taking some responsibility

    for that and rightly so.

    Perhaps. Apparently, some thought that about the League of Nations at one time, too. I'm not so sure that the UN has as tight a grip on what they "know" as they (and apparently you) THINK they do, though. Even so, again, things can change. Sometimes... in an instant.

    Opposing this observation are apocalyptic fear mongering religious cults like the JWs, who put forth the suggestion that the world and its political leaders are about to attack one another with devastating results such as the world has never seen before.

    I'm not sure that that's exactly what they teach (haven't checked into it for awhile), but you certainly heard nothing of the sort from me. I only related ONE country possibly "going through" some others to realize a long-held goal. Also said nothing of devastating results from various nations attacking one another. Did mention the ushering of the next phase, perhaps. Clarified that it had nothing to do with "apocalyspe" from me.

    This is false and misleading information from reality, to be sure.

    Unfortunately, the one who may be false and misleading is you, dear one. I mean, I have conceded that we will have to wait and see; you, though, are pretty adamant that, uh-uh, nope, can't/won't happen. I think that's misleading... and possibly false.

    The story in the latest middle East war is about to be closed for good. The obvious proponents of the war such Dick Cheney are now saying we did the right thing and that the US removal of their military forces, will destabilized the middle east and war once again make an appearance. Dick and George were no doubt the biggest instigaters to going to Iraq and invading the country.

    That's a pretty final statement, given the instability of that region, even now. Sure, the U.S. occupation of and war in Iraq may be over (although, I remember hearing THAT statement made once before, and yet...), but to assume that, for example, the war between other factions is over... is, IMHO, misleading. Heck, the U.S. might be in a war with Pakistan in the near future, given what's just recently occurred there...

    Now the tallying up of what this specific war cost America in lives lost lives, ones permanently handicapped and the actual cost which is said to be a Trillion dollars US is really now being recognized by the greater public.

    Which tells ME folks might think twice (and perhaps too long) before agreeing to the next one. That could be that hesitation thing I mentioned... you know, where I mentioned that, sure, the U.S. would react... but after the fact? You are paying attention to what I'm sharing with you, here, right?

    Thats alot of weight on the shoulders for the ones who pretty much started the war, wouldn't you say ?

    Indeed. And could prove detrimental later down the line...

    Some people have the notion that if Iran gets nuclear capabilities that it will spur

    them on to be more aggressive in the middle east.

    Sometimes "some people" are right. Sometimes, they're not.

    I don't think so for they're also aware of the US presence close by that probably have more

    nuclear weaponry than Iran could ever dream of having.

    Again, you miss the point; they have to CARE. And sometimes, caring isn't considered an option.

    This is where the age of information and technology has helped, countries know who has

    what and where they are in relation to themselves.

    Oh, please... so that they can, what, like, stop planes from flying into tall buildings... as well as into their military headquarters buildings? Ummmm... how'd that work for one of those countries, the so-called "superpower" among them? You know, the country that didn't even know where its most technologically advanced super-drone was... until it was revealed to them that it had been shot down by another country?

    Iran also knows how important that part of the world is to other modern industrialized

    nations like Briton, Canada.... the list is long.

    Iran today, perhaps. Even such a country has its breaking point, though...

    There might be some internal instability in Iraq coming in the future,

    Might be. Was before this particular regime, so... and certainly some between the government and some of its citizens...

    that remains to be seen.

    Well, that's what I've been saying all along. All of it remains to be seen. Let's talk again, then, shall we?

    Peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    If you are suggesting that Iraq could become politically unstable in the near future I would have to agree.

    Not hard to imagine, dear one (again, peace to you!). But isn't that country's instability that I'm primarily speaking of, here...

    As far as Iran making some assertive intervention into Iraq because of this, I don't think so.

    Again, your reading skills leave me puzzled. Because I never said anything about Iran invading or making "some assertive intervention into" Iraq... at least, not more than into the U.S., Britain, or (perhaps) Russia. That you seem only be able to focus on conflict with Iraq here is... interesting. Perhaps it's the proximity... which has absolutely nothing to do with it, at least not any more than it does as to the others.

    Peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    Never argue about what America does, or doesn't do, with a Canadian. They do not know what they are talking about.

    Ahhh, so THAT'S it, eh, dear NO (peace to you!)? Thank you! I will keep that in mind, dear one!

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    Unfortunately, the two interviews that stood out to me the most were that of John Bolton (whose assessment I believe is accurate), and Mohammed Ali Abtahi (who was the Iranian Veep at the time).

    John Bolton's "assessment" in the same sentence with the word "accurate." BEST joke of the day! ; ) I don't think anyone outside the Neocon inner sanctum gives much credibility to anything John Bolton says, though it was proper for PBS to include it for counter-point purposes.

    Of course, some people give more credence to the document than others. However, it is pretty clear from the purging actions that took place inside Iran as a result of the US not responding that the Iranians took it QUITE seriously.

    Context also supports the seriousness of the document. Iran provided valuable aid to the US post-invasion, only to be placed on the Axis of Evil list. So, it is pretty clear that they made repeated attempts at reconcilliation only to be rebuffed by the Neocons.

    Iran will not be a problem unless the United States needs to make them a problem.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    I believe that Mr. Bolton's assessment of what Iraq has... and for how long... was/is accurate, dear JT (peace to you!).

    Iran will not be a problem unless the United States needs to make them a problem.

    Only the U.S., dear one? I realize that the U.S. is a (okay, the) major player in the world's "games", but goodness... one would think it was the only player of significance/consequence. I think that that kind of thinking is going to come around bite some folks in the butt. Even so, I'm not sure why folks are (apparently) reading "Iran is the bad guy, here" into my responses... other than my comment that Iraq is "gunning" for Israel. And it is. Didn't say it would jump the gun... nor that it wasn't justified or the result of "something" else.

    Again, we've all gotta wait and see. And, again, I'm personally in no hurry.

    Peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

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