Shouldn't we all aim to be inspired by God?

by Listener 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Listener
    Listener

    Reading comments on this forum makes me think about so many facets in understanding God's word and how he works. I was very puzzled as to why DJeggnog had so much trouble in trying to explain the difference between being guided by God's holy spirit and being inspired. He stopped posting when he was cornered on this.

    Is it a problem with the english language again that there are possibly different meanings to what 'inspired' actually means? In our common usage term we are all inspired by one thing or another. It is often something that we see, hear or think that will motivate us in our actions and we could say that our actions were inspired by some thing.

    To be inspired by God should not mean that we become infaliable or that what we do or say is perfect but it would motivate us to do what is right in the eyes of God. Why would any of us (believers in God) want to say that we are not inspired by God? Yet the GB say this. To be moved or guided by his holy spirit would be the same thing.

    To say that God's holy spirit is operating among us and directing us may be a different matter. For his actual power or force to be in operation resulting in a particular outcome is entirely different. How we can actually identify it in a particular situation today is not so clear. The WTs often relate an experience with the suggestion that God has had his hand in a particular situation. Possibly a bit presumptuos but it is also accepted that as good works have resulted it must have been so. Certainly where we see the flow of 'fruits of the spirit' we can be more confident that God's spirit is shining.

    The JWs would have us believe that it is simply because the bible is inspired by God that it is infallible but I am wondering if they are misrepresenting the term inspiration here. It is clear (to those that have faith that the bible is God's word) that it is accurate because God 'spoke' directly to those that wrote it. Whether that was through visions, dreams or physically. That is what makes it infallible, by the operation of God's holy spirit to work miracously in directly providing information to the bible writers.

    Why the GB would want to claim that they are not inspired by God is a bit of a revelation.

    Acknowledging that the bible writers were given special gifts from God in order for his word to reach us and for it to be infallible is accepted by many. That these gifts no longer exist then brings up the question of how is it that the Canon exists as it is today and could it possibly be incorrect or incomplete? Generally it is not accepted as being so. I understand the Canon as being formulated in the 2nd Century and by people who the JWs reject as being 'God's people', yet without the miraculous gifts no longer in operation how was God's holy spirit able to ensure that his message was not corrupted? If we accept that it wasn't then God's holy spirit operates in ways that we do not understand (in physical terms)- or at least I am trying to understand. I don't doubt that God has protected his message and preserved it down to this day. If that is the case then what is he doing for the JWs in protecting their interpretation of the bible and the messages that they forumalte together in their publications that aren't worth preserving or protecting as they keep changing? It would appear that God's holy spirit has no 'physical' application for them even though it was in relation to the bible canon.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    My answer is the GB is full of crap and it's just another one of their arguments they use to justify when they are wrong and at the same time, trust them as we would if God were talking through them. It's nothing more complex than that. Nothing more to see here.

  • Fernando
    Fernando

    Hey Listener! I believe God speaks to ALL of us ALL the time. This is done in the spirit - outside our 5 senses. It would seem to be a matter of tuning in and discerning. This is done by hearing the full unabridged "good news", pursuing it and yielding to it. God then grants us repentance (awareness of dysfunction) and faith (a wide opening of our spiritual eyes). Without a spiritual awakening we have not yet tuned in and struggle to hear. Religion is designed to prevent such a spiritual awakening by getting us to walk by sight and flesh alone (our 5 senses). Religion is designed to steal our faith, salvation and personal relationship with our heavenly father through Jesus.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Listener - you raise a lot of valid points in your OP, but I think I'll just tackle the question itself for now.

    Yes, we can all seek inspiration from God. However, inspiration is really God's to give, and not ours to demand. We certainly shouldn't claim inspiration or "direction" from God as a reason for people to listen to what we say, without any evidence to support our claims.

    Many Witnesses will say there is overwhelming evidence that the Society are acting under God's direction. However, when pressed on the matter - what exactly is this evidence?

    • Worldwide expansion? That is slowing, and furthermore if it were a numbers game the Catholics would win hands down.
    • Preaching the "good news" worldwide? The mormons do that, albeit they are a little better at making it pay financially.
    • Showing love for one another? Every religion does that to varying degrees. There is certainly no love lost between JWs and "worldly people", and even Witness families can fall apart because of the unscriptural application of the shunning practice.
    • Impressive building projects? Again, what I said earlier about the catholics.
    • Seamless organization? Humans have a natural capacity to organize themselves. The D-Day landings were extremely "well-organized" - that doesn't mean they were an act of God.

    Cedars

  • Listener
    Listener

    I have a lot more work to do in that area Fernando, with prayer, research, reading and opening my heart I hope to come to a greater understanding. Leaving the shackles of my previous understanding as a JW has allowed me to appreciate many new things.

    Thanks Cedar, it is a good reminder to advise that it is not ours to demand or even to take for granted that we have this. So many of the JWs publications would be more palatable if they only showed more humility and discernment in making there proclamations.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    I was very puzzled as to why DJeggnog had so much trouble in trying to explain the difference between being guided by God's holy spirit and being inspired.

    Ever since the Catholic crusades against "heretics" began, those who knew the truth (that the only path to God is through your own self) would sometimes be able to teach others without being "found out" (and subsequently killed) by disguising the idea of a Higher Self with the term "Holy Spirit".

    The Holy Spirit is the Divine Spark within you. The fact that the Crusades were hell bent on ridding the world of this knowledge is testimony to its truth. If the Vatican despises it, it must be good for the average person, and bad for them.

    Why does everyone look into a dusty old book or up into the sky? Everywhere but themselves for "God"?

    False religion, designed by the Mammon-worshipping overlords of this Old World Order.

    Now it makes sense why the Rothchilds fund people like CT Russell. They needed a delusion to capture every type of personality. The more variations of bullshit, the better.

    How do as few as 6,000 selfish assholes continue to enslave the rest of the world for millennia?

    Misuse of Divine Knowledge, that they keep hidden from anybody outside their little "Club". And as George Carlin says (bless his soul).... "AND YOU AIN'T IN IT"

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    Where does the idea that scripture is inerrant come from ?"It is clear.... that the Bible is accurate..." (from the O.P)

    From just a little reading of old posts on here it seems that is a big claim.

  • dogon
    dogon

    Inspired by what? War, Starvation?, Disease? Just what about this world is so god damn god like that we should be in awe of it? If we are here by natural occurrence than awe is in line, but if an intelligent designer is to blame than he/she did a piss poor job and not only is a dead beat dad but a fucking asshole to boot.

  • Listener
    Listener

    Phizzy, I appreciate the claim is a big one and not all believe it however that is my faith. In order to address the opening statements I needed to lay the groundwork with certain givens (imo).

    Prodigal Son said "the Holy Spirit is the Divine spark within you". This is what I see as being anointed. Old Greek philosophy would take this further and exlude the external God but there is no opportunity for eternal life without him.

    Dagon you express the sincere disappointment that many hold and it often leads to the conlcusion that there is no God. There is not enough information in the bible for us to fully understand the operation of God's heavenly organization and it's supernatural forces other than that he has been seriously challenged by a number of angels, headed by Satan. When we look at his physical creations we see perfect order which can become chaotic at the hands of mankind. I trust that God has chosen the only way to address the challenge.

  • trueblue
    trueblue

    I don't know if this fits in but I have been thinking a lot about: What does it matter? What does it matter if you beleive Jusus was nailed to a cross or a stake? What does it matter if you beleive the Trinnity or not? What does it matter if you believe bad people burn in hell and good people go to heaven, or the 144,000 go to heaven to rule the rest that live on earth in paradise? What difference does it matter when Jessus returns or if he even does?

    I mien what diff is it how smart you are? Really?

    I beleive that it is the heart condition that matters not how intellegent a person is, the bible is too complicated for any man to fully comprehend and that tells me that God does exsist, he cares and he has a plan for us what ever that plan is is up to him and I have to trust in him, just as if I get in an accident and rushed to the ER, I would have to put my trust in the Doctor to bring me back to recovery.

    That is only my opinion, but what does that matter?

    Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one...

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