Could there be something to this?WTC- WTBS helping

by jerome 13 Replies latest watchtower scandals

jerome

This is just to lay the framework for the next post.
The next post is a document from the United nations Offical website.
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I recently found out something that sounded fishy to me after talking to a friend of mine. She is another active jehovah witness.
We were talking about the jw donation system.
I told her that they were basically selling magazines but to avoid legal consequences i.e. taxation they would decide to take the donation seperately.
This got her very offended so i told her alright your'e right and left it there.
I dont need to loose anymore friends to this organisation.
Because as you very well know when they find out that you are anti watchtower that they, well you know what happens then.
So i did not persist and i neglected to tell her anything else watchtower related.
Well thats besides the point.
What i really want to know is this.
In reply to my statement that they did not spend any money on non-witnesses she responded by saying that the watchtower had done voulenteer work with regards to the september 11th disaster victims.
She said that they helped out.
Now this i found fishy.
Because i heard on this board that watchtower does not support charity. I dont know if this is entirely correct SO PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.
So then why did they help if they do not support non-witness causes?
I thought that they did something noteworthy for once after all the bad things i heard about them.
But why with regards to this disaster.
I thought they hated the WTC.
At this time i think they were still a Un NGO member.
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Here is something intesesting.
I was trying to locate records with regards to the watchtower UN connection from the UN offical website and i found it hard find any documents verifying these claims.
What i did find was this.
The Un called a meeting for its NGO's on september 13th in relation to the WTC disaster.
A report on the meeting stated that they discussed who the NGO representatives expresses their heart felt sympthy and concern for the victims and their familys. And it also stated that they expressed their complete disaproval of the WTC destruction.
Did watchtower disaprove of its destruction?
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Could the help that they gave the WTC victims be as a result of the advice given to them by the UN?
Was this part of supporting the Un agenda?
And could they have done this partly as a public relations stunt?
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Not to say that witnesses would not have helped any way but i found it strang that their supporting the cause of fellow human beings in need was publisized in the congregation.
Were any of you made aware of this in your congregation?
Could they have killed three birds with one stone?
1) Support the UN NGO agenda.
while
2) Looking good in the public eye.
and
3) Come out of it with something to brag about.
I found this at united the UN's offical website.
I try to paste the url but it wont work. So i have to direct you how to find it.
Go to http://www.un.org
Locate their search engine.
Use the search prase:
"NGOs associated"
and i clicked on __________.
I cant find the link if you do please inform me of what it is.
the bible is a two edged sword weild it for evil and you could get hurt.
jerome

SPECIAL SESSION OF UN CONFERENCE ON NGO VOULTEERISM
HELD ON SEPTEMBER 13
NGO/438
PT/1318
SEPETEMBER 2000 20
SPECIAL SESSION OF UN CONFERENCE ON NGO VOULTERRISM
HELD ON SEPTEMBER 13
Session follows Fifty-Fourth Annual DPI/NGO Conference 10, 12
September
In the aftermath of the terrible events that shocked the entire world, the Fifty-Fourth Annual Conference Of Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) associated with the United Nations Department of Public Information (DPI) held a special session at the United Nations Headquarters in New York on September 13. Sessions of the Conference and midday workshops scheduled for 10 and 12 September had been cancled. The DPI in consultation with the Office of the Secutary-General and Security and Saftey Service, decided that it was important for the Conference to conclude its work and to show that the sprit of voluteerism and the valuable work performed by the United Nations and non-governmental organisations would continue under the most dificult of circumstances.
On September 13, 16 speakers, including Mrs. None Annan and Mr Mechai Viravaidya, Chairman of the Population and Community Development Association in Thailand, delivered substantive and often emotional addresses to the audience of more that 200 NGO representatives. The participants paid tribute to the victims of the terrorist acts with a minute of silence. Many speakers pointed out that events of the previous days gave vivid examples of voluteerism in action and underscored the importance of the theme of this Conference. Participants expressed their appreaciation to the organizers for the decision to hold the special session of the Conference.
Over 2,000 representatives from more than 600 NGOs in 90 countries had registered for the three-day Conference, which has become the premier NGO event at United Nations Headquarters each year. This year's theme highligted the International Year of Volunteers, explaining the presentsing and sometimes contravertial issues challenging the world's community of NGOs, many of which are guided by the sprit of volunteerism.
The opening session on 10 September was addressed by Secretary-General Kafi Annan, the President of the fifty-fifth session of the United Nations General Assembly, Harri Holkeri, and (by videoconference from Mexico) President of Mexico Vicente Fox. In her keynote address, Sharon Capeling-Alakija, Executive Coordinator of the United Nations Volunteer Programme, provided the conceptual framework for discussion of the ways in which volunteers can support the work of the United Nations.
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http://www.un.org
search phrase
"NGOs associated""
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I just typed this out. Bold added.
What do you get from the above statement in relation to the watchtower scoiety offering assistance VOULNTEERING to help with the WTC relief effort?
Could this have been part of the watchtowers motive to support the "sprit of voluteerism?"
Is there something to more this?
Did the watchtower do an unsual amount of volunteer work last year.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and you may get hurt.
jerome

Members of this board i think that this matter may be possibly too important to go unnoticed.
This could relate directly to the watchtower further supporting the UN Charter.
Think of the signifance if there were something to this.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
Moxy

WT loaned some equipment to the NY fire dept and this has been reported by travelling overseers. this is probably what your friend is refering to.
mox
butalbee

She is another active jehovah witness.
So how long have you been an active JW??
LDH

There were plenty of substantiated stories that came from Bethel about 'all the help they extended.'
There was even a press release by old JT (The Spin Doctor) who said they passed out water and sandwiches to people who came to the building looking for assistance.
Then there was a conflicting report that they closed the doors (which I'm assuming everyone did; don't fault them for this) and only allowed JWs in for free sandwiches and water.
You might want to go to the 'active' link and try clicking on some deep pages to bring you to the time period around Sep. 11--there were plenty of posts.
In direct answer to your question, every corporation has a Spin Doctor to 'stop the bleeding' and do 'damage control.' The WBTS is no different. They just claim to be.
butalbee, if I'm not mistaken, the 'another' refers to his friends--both of whom are JWs. Not impossible for a non-JW to have active friends --just look at all Hawk is doing for us. He never was a JDumb.
Lisa
plmkrzy

What moxy said;
Thats what my dad told me also. I didn't hear any publicity about it other then what I heard via word of mouth. My dad came over shortly after the 911 tradgity, the first time he visited me in twelve years. Anyway the WTS donated the use of actual fire trucks and other equipment (I didn't know they had there own fire trucks) and housed clothed and fed many victims, and spent time at the site'ground 0' helping with the other volunteer's. I didn't think they did anything because they were never mentioned in the press like the other corps. etc. who volunteered. So when my dad came to visit and told me about how they were helping out I was pretty surpprised to say the least.
In regards to "A publicity stunt" on there part, I seriously dought it because the LAST thing they want is publicity as UN-associated volunteer's. And if they did want publicity they would have been on T.V. with the rest of them. Jerome.
plmkrzy
"The fellow that agrees with everything you say is either a fool or he is getting ready to skin you."
- Kin Hubbard
jerome

Ok i'll start looking for the 9/11 threads.
Well the purpose of this thread was to varify if they were actually obliged to participate in the volunteer work since they were still a UN member futher supporting the Charter of the Scarlet Colored Beast.
They i think definately used it as an internal publicity stunt to show how much brotherly love was given to those wordly people that persecute them for His name sake when they needed it most.
They obviously would not have publically announced that they were doing this as an NGO but they might have let others know of it while spreadind the good news from door to door.
Like the pharsices would have made it known how generous it was of them to give a begger food.
Just a thought.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.
plmkrzy

Well Jerome thats an interesting idea however I don't think anyone group of people I that calculating. You seem to be forgeting one very important major fact about the 911 tragity and thats how incredibly shocking and horrifying it was and still is. I haven't forgot how it made me feel and I wasn't as close to it as those in NY were. I have a neighbor who died on the first plane that flew into the first tower and walking outside everyday and seeing the memorial that was growing on the sidewalk near his house was enough to make me numb. One memorial near me and knowing one person who will never come home and living 3000 miles away from ground zero seeing vivid and graphic pictures constantly on T.V and the Net and every news paper and every conversation was about 911 left me and everyone I know feeling sick. If that is, and no doubt it is, a fraction of what those close to the crash site's were feeling I can't even imagin thinking or suspecting anyone of seezing that as an opertunity for good public relations exposure And WHILE PEOPLE ARE STILL SMOLDERING??? What I find even more incredible is you coming up with the idea as if you are someone who has been directly victimized by the WTBTS and you trying to rally together everyone who can relate to your expierences with them? And what expierences were they again?? Whatever. I'm not as gullible as I was when I was idealistic. Not even.
plmkrzy
"The fellow that agrees with everything you say is either a fool or he is getting ready to skin you."
- Kin Hubbard
jerome

Well you have a point well you have many points.
I wasent directly victimized but i am indirectly though.
I keep saying that i cant imagine what you must have been going through to have your whole turned upside down and mabe loose your friends and family in the process. Then have to turn to the same very people you probally despised for help and worse yet become one of them.
Well i am at the stage where i wouldent put anything past the gb.
Look at how many lives they have ruined and lied about it to protect their sorry ass.
Am i trying to rally people to think that the rank and file jw would ahve sipported such a thing. No.
As far as i can see the rank and file follow orders.
I did say though that they may have most likely done it even if they did not get offical support. The jws are caring people though. just sadly misguided.
I asked about why they don support charity in the first place.
I still dont know the anwser to that.
But remember about the killing several birds with one stone thing.
Well at least what can come of this thread would be more evidence that they were further supporting the UN agenda.
Even if they would have helped out any way.
I highlighted something also very important.
last year was the International year of the Volunteer.
I asked if jws were up more of such work than usual.
This would further show that they were supporting the charter.
That is the main purpose of this thread. I thought i saw something that went unnoticed.
All the watchtower has done to me so far is to make me feel so helpless when i look into my gf eyes when she makes some silly excuese for a crime that the biblical punishment is death.
bualbee would know what i'm talking about since she was in my situation. they just don't listen.
I am preparing solid information regarding the UN issue becaues she dosent believe that they would do such a thing, judging from the way they view the UN.
Mabe afterall she wont listen or even worse make silly excuses to protect this hypocrite.
This is not nearly as bad as what happened to most of you but at least i have a chance to try to reason her, which judging from her situation of being raised in the truth is alot.
The Bible is a two edged sword wield it for evil and it you may get hurt.

Could there be something to this?WTC- WTBS helping

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