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  • distraff
    distraff

    There are many creatures with vestigial eyes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Mole
    The mole rat lived underground like the mole, so they do not need eyes at all. They have small eyes that are covered by skin making them blind.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Mole
    The blind mole also lives underground and has its eyes covered by skin making it blind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olm
    The Olm is a blind amphibian that lives in deep dark caves underwater and has eyes that are under-developed and are covered by skin. It is a close relative to salamanders.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotto_Salamander
    The Grotto salamander is a blind salamander. The blind salamanders have eyes with retinas and lenses, yet the eyelids grow over the eye, sealing them from outside light. They are also closely related to other salamanders.

    http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/blindsal/
    The Texas blind salamander has no eyes only two black dots. It has eye sockets but no eyes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_tetra
    The blind cave Mexican tetra is also blind. When they are born, they have eyes, but as they grow older skin grows over them and their eyes degenerate, because there is no need for sight in the waters of a pitch-black cave. The eyes of the blind Mexican tetra has a lens, a degenerate retina, a degenerate optic nerve, and a sclera, even though the tetra cannot see.


    It is a close relative of the Mexican Tetra which can see.

    All this makes perfect sense in light of evolution. These species adapted to live in the dark and so did not need their eyes any more. Many of them lost their eyes, have degenerate eyes, and/or have their eyes covered up by skin. Since the eyes are useless in the dark, mutations that destroyed the eye function would not be selected against by natural selection.

    Since these eyes are disease-prone exposed fleshy patches on the face, they were covered by skin to protect them. And that is why they look so similar to close relatives with eyes (e.g. Mexican Tetra). The ancestors of the blind Mexican tetra were related to the ancestor of the Tetra but evolved to lose their eyes. The same goes for the blind salamanders, and blind moles.

    According to creationists, this would have to be an instance of speciation since these species did lose their eyes to evolution and developed independent species. This would be to admit that significant evolution is possible.

    If creationists try to contend that God make them eyeless, the question is why? Why would God give them eyes at all if these eyes are never going to be used? Why make these creatures look as if they evolved to be eyeless? Is God trying to trick us?

    This is evidence of evolution.

  • wobble
    wobble

    There are some creatures with no brain.......... add your own punch line.

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    Welcome to the forum distraff . . .

    Excellent post . . . a very good example well presented.

    Compelling isn't it?

  • cofty
    cofty

    Hi distraff, welcome. Good start to your posting history, I look forward to more

    Some vestigal features still have limited function or have been adapted to a new function like the whale's pelvis. Creationists like to use these examples to escape the obvious conclusion.

    Your example is a good one.

  • distraff
    distraff

    It is very compelling. Thanks.

    Is there any way I can change this thread to add a title? I forgot to do that when I made it. Would the moderators allow me to make a copy of this thread with a title? Do you know any moderators here? Thanks for any info you can provide.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " There are many creatures with vestigial eyes "

    Welcome Distraff

    The WTS claims to have 7 million of those creatures

  • distraff
    distraff

    "Hi distraff, welcome. Good start to your posting history, I look forward to more

    Some vestigal features still have limited function or have been adapted to a new function like the whale's pelvis. Creationists like to use these examples to escape the obvious conclusion.

    Your example is a good one."

    Thanks for the info and the clarification of the definition of "vestigital." More people need to know this.

    Do you know any moderators here?

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Great first post.

    You are absolutely right, evidence for the evolution of the eye abounds in nature.

    I also find that the eye has evolved numerous times and created different configurations each time is fascinating.

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    " There are many creatures with vestigial eyes "
    .....
    The WTS claims to have 7 million of those creatures.." WasBlind

    Ah, HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!

    giant rofl

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    About the actual evolution of eyes - don't forget the horseshoe crabs!!! [primitive version of early eyes...]

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