A message to all those out there suffering

cptkirk

I know many of you think I'm an asshole, and that is fine, because more than likely I am. I do have a heart though...and I want to say something to all those out there right now suffering with doubts, feelings of guilt, and any other hard-ache brought on by this organizations failed policies (obviously not directed by god)...this is what I want to say to you:

If there is a god, trust me, he wants to see the end of this Jehovah's Witness organization just as much as you do (more)....the depth of mind control, brain washing, and profound control mechanisms inside this borg are insidious and destructive to any healthy human being. Misery loves company, and so goes the JW Org.

The very best thing you can do with your life is make something of it. stand tall, carry yourself with dignity, associate with like minded people, find a wife or husband that treats you good, and has a healthy mental disposition. don't let yourself be weak, and then justify your weakness saying those jw's are right...they aren't...math is pretty simple...you make bad decisions you fair badly, you make good decisions, and you do good....to quote one of my favorite actors (alan alda) from an early episode of mash, "don't let the bastard win". don't let self fulfilling prophecy get you, because they have brainwashed you to think anything else you do besides follow them is evil...that can effect your sub-conscious mind, and you may not even realize you are destroying yourself just to fulfill their bullshit nonsense that changes every few years and called "new light" right? who needs new light? god or men? if the men are directed by god, what does that tell you?

if the new light produces effects of evil in people's lives (evil as in uncessary suffering), and god cannot be convicted of evil...again, what does this tell you? and then more new light...these people are in deep shit. just like anyone else you know that has sown their own seeds of destruction, just keep your distance until the fire subsides.

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Well said! And you're not an asshole. Some people in this forum are very sensitive IMO....even more than in the average forums. I've said some things in other forums and get a good laugh off of everyone while in here it makes some spit out their coffe and drop their jaws.

But yeah man, I feel for those that are trapped with too much to lose and are feeling hopeless. My dad is one of the most beloved elders in the cong and a devout JW since a 12 year old child. He can't afford to have any doubts because he just has way too much to lose. All the people that look up to him will be betrayed and he will have to face all those bookstudies that got baptized cause of him, including some family members. He will have to face my mom that fought so hard to stay out of this religion early in their marriage.... eventually convinced by my dad and baptized into a full on good JW woman without a shred of doubt. I hope he doesn't doubt the religion cause if he does, he's in a world of pain. For what's left of his life, he might as well stay in there and die a happy believer rather than a depressed lonely apostate...I mean he'll have me, but he won't be able to get over the massive loss of friends and family. JW is his whole world now.

watersprout

Awwww what a lovely post! Made me smile.... The best revenge on the WT is becoming successful in every aspect of your life.

Peace

darth frosty

Always loved your post and totally agree.

THe best revenge is living well!

cptkirk

thanks. btw hard-ache, heart-ache, whichever you like. i know the mental state of many on this forum. there are very few that have a deeper grip on the nature of the mind and heart than i do. when the ph.d's and the masters of psych walk into the room, they defer to me. i know that some will think i'm just some random fool spitting out exaggerated nonsense, again that is fine. there are many i'm sure that would like to murder me irl, they spend time crying in their cars, banging on walls...but it is not me that they loathe, it is not me that has caused them this distress...it is what i unravel within them, which causes this profound angst. and in the end, they can either stay stubborn and be the author of their own demise, or they can thank me for having the guts to put my own ass on the line, so that they can be free from those whom have imprisoned them...they were imprisoned before they even knew what the word meant. "eat of the apple so young", "what i see is unreal" -layne

fade_away: i really do think it's better for a lot of them to stay put, many if not a majority would have to be institutionalized at this point, if they were set free. this is not some kind of passive aggressive attack, as to say someone is crazy to demean them...it is an unfortunate truth. your father is probably a fine man, probably a good lookin dude, people like him, has some skills etc. even someone like this in many cases, could not deal with having to let go and realize they were sold something as truth, which just isn't, i mean i dont know how else to say it? the UN is the great dragon? oh btw we just signed a contract with the UN which binds us to uphold their principles, and work to further their agenda? i mean...wtf do you want? a hand written message from god himself to tell you that they are lying to you?

Phizzy

cptkirk, your insights are satisfactory to this Vulcan, and I perceive you have the heart of a man, you actually care about your fellow humans, an admirable quality if not taken too far.

I have found that you must not pander to the weaknesses of humans, they seem to thrive on that, and use any sympathy as an excuse for inaction and ennui.

The problem is exactly as you describe, most who are, or were JW's are what earthlings call, "Lazy Bastards", I do not quite pick up on all the nuances of that expression I am sure, but I know it to be true. They will not do their own research, they come to a place such as this and ask for opinion and information, they then will not act on what they find out, because "family" are Jw's, they care not for principles and ethics, for such have been dictated to them for so long that they cannot stand up for their own beliefs because the habit of letting the WT tell them what to believe, and how to act, is too ingrained.

Such people should stay in the Organisation, they deserve their chosen prison, the Organisation deserves such pathetic individuals as its supporters.

I am glad Captian, that you give a humble Vulcan hope, hope that some humans are above that silliness, and are prepared, whatever the cost, to be :

TRUE TO THEMSELVES.

cptkirk

i'm not a big supporter of the laziness factor....i'm trying to think of the movie...oh ya one of my favorite movies "crimson tide"..a line in that movie from hackman, he says " You just stick a cattle prod up their ass and you can get a horse to deal cards. Simple matter of voltage."...not that i'm advocating this ...just making the point that you can motivate anyone, anyone can be motivated.

the only other thing i wanted to say was: you know how jws are programmed to flip out when they hear bad language? like if you say fuck to a jw, they will probably have a mini panic attack? isn't this a good starting point? the person is brainwashed to literally have a physical breakdown of sorts, over words...just words....think about it.....who decided which words were "curse" words? and which were not curse words?...maybe flub should be a curse word. HERE ME I AM THE VOICE OF GOD, WHEN THOU SHALL HEAR THE WORD "FLUB" THOU SHALL STONE A MAN TO DEATH AND OR HAVE A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN AND GOTO THE HOSPITAL!

who said fuck was a curse word? and then, the jws picked up on it and said ok good, lets tell them this is very very bad to say, more control good good good, excellent *rubs hands together in evil manner*

No Room For George

Cptkirk, slightly off subject, but I have to ask why the need to acknowledge yourself as an assshole? What'd I'd miss, in what thread?

A message to all those out there suffering

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