by smiddy 40 Replies latest jw friends
I haven't read all the posts. BUT.....I've ALWAYS, even as a little child in the early 70's, felt like they stole music from Walt Disney! Just listen to a few of the Disney songs. It'll trip you out with the melodic arrangements.
Tell me if I'm wrong!
My apologies for being slightly off topic, but when the latest song book came out a thread appeard here showing the differences in lyrics between the new book and the previous one.
The latest book draws attention away from Jehovah/Jesus/Holy Spirit and directs it more to the Organization. Does anyone know where I can find the thread?
Disney!...Tell me if I'm wrong!
You're not wrong. There was a mention or two on the first page of this thread regarding Disney songs.
Terry's post 12256 for one.
TD:
"Songs to Jehovah's Praise -- that's the one I remember.
Thanks,
~Binadub
Thank you all for your comments,much appreciated
Thank you TD for giving that visual of songbooks,the 1st one I was familiar with was the green one ,then the pink one and finally the brown on.,Was it the pink one or the brown one that caused a lot of embarrassment while trying to sing in tune,many murrmerings and giggles took place trying to master it.
Thank you blondie for that link
smiddy
My apologies AnnOMaly it was your link I was referring to ( not Blondies ) I had a senior moment ( nothing to do with the chardonnay )
smiddy
The older songs were very much inspired if not plagiarized by classical composers (pink songbook and before).
The songs most of us still know (the brown songbook) went a bit away from that but if you listen to a lot of classical music you'll still notice that some chords and even whole 'riffs' are blatantly copied from the lesser known classicals.
The latest songs (on the colorful paperback songbook) are really Disneyfied, we even laughed about it when I was still a dub in the FS group. The tunes, the way the music is composed, the choice of octave - they really are trying to appeal to a younger crowd with them but it's horrible.
I have been with the Jehovahs witnesses since 1962. I've seen 3 song books go by. The issue in the mid 60's was over a Carling Redcap beer commercial jingle and a kingdom song. The Jureasic theme song at the release of the newest song book hit me like a brick at that assembly. I suppose a after the "onward Christian soldiers" clone in the old old green and specked song book of the early 60's & the following one with songs the paralleled the Theme to the TV show Flipper (a weekly story about a trained dolphin) exactly & Disneys "Some day my prince will come" among others I should not have be supprized. Wording is now more politically correct in the new book and songs of praise are now mostly dirges. Nazerites? I don't think anyone stole that one. Always wanted to see it used as a wedding march :) It's disturbing to watch 40000 people praise their God singing a Tune about a trained fish. I sometimes wonder if all witnesses are simply deluded or if things for a very few are darker. To be honest, I've just walked away after "new light" dumped the second set of anointed for a group of "faithful men". 1975 ... Ok... Wrong because of 6000 year calculation due to + or - years before eves sin timing? (But angels etc know that timing. How can they not know the day & the hour?). Wait, oh, a day is just a day. Ok. So how come though the 6000 years (Not 7 literal days, or 7, 7000 year days like i used to teach. 1975 is just a marked year and "day" as in "their day" is undefined but we still use time, times & half a time based on a 6000 year creative day? But Why are the of remnant partakers going up? you said at 70 or 80 the end will surly come? Ah, cause some are deluded? Which ones? All of them? But not you and me... We cant judge them. Their not the "Jezebel & Kora class" after all but I am if I question whatever you dump down the pipe? Why did my elder brother feel privileged to destroy all old letters to the congregation on command? Why would he be asked to do so? We can't say that we're they righteous and meek but its an insult to Jehovah's mercy if we don't. We can't judge Gods sheep, But we do... Like the sodomites who we have waffled will/wont/will/wont/will /wont be reserected or anyone killed directly by Jehovah (like moses) & Kora are just done like all the honest haerted at Armageddon who arent Witnesses. Sheep won't be sorted until after the tribulation when the 144000 are now to be chosen? Liars don't need the lie to make sense, they are so deluded the get sloppy and caught up in Hilters "big lie" mentality. Tell a lie, make it big, tell often, and people will believe it. Taz Russell and Rutherford
would have disfellowshipped them all as would Nathan Norr, Paul, and the 120 in the upper room. I was Baptized in 75 gave up my life's dreams for the hope. Some hope! I defended a bible revised, reduced & changed twice while arrogantly dissing other honest religious efforts as they weren't Jehovahs Witnesses. I "defended" the NWT arguing based on vowels the did not exist in Aramaic and based on syntax that had passed Through Hebrew Greek Roman German middle English into the hands of novice translators of our translation. Faced death & the blood issue 3 times faithfully. I have been attacked and beaten for my God. I forgave my adulterous wife remained faithful & am still living morally as I did for Jehovah, but have left my abusive controlling relationship based on fear, guilt, an almost fanatical devotion to the Organization, and the threat of isolation should I question anything at all. I can't give my life or finances to that organization anymore. It's not longer joy to build work my self to the bone to build kingdom & assembly halls which are financed by congregations under charges of Usery expense, with all donated supplies sourced at cost exclusively from the organization with free labor, freely maintained, but subsequently legally owned by the organizations corporation. Too may hurtful things in my life come to my life from joining the blind leading the blind. If their light is in fact darkness (and it definitively is) oh how dark it is. Witnesses never had it all right. But they have left the beneficial teaching they once had and procured men to tickle their ears. They watered down their own teachings for legal reasons. They've coined the term the ""new world order" and "Peace and security" that is actually breathing power into the UN police state in self fulfilling prophesy after two generations of self promotion and propaganda. It's time to get out of her (them) who stand where they ought not. Like others I had left everything for their "hope". I still want to preach hope, but what? As pilot said "what is truth"? I no longer know. I don't want to teach what is false. And I must say my heart aches. It seems to me that we all pray God and our own image. I've been told since I'm a child exactly who Jehovah is. Muslims grow up to be human bombs because they see them self in their gods image. He's a loving guy that's sending you to hell if you're not a ritual Muslim. It is noble that they die for what his/their morality but detrimental to all. Catholics believe that God needs three Hail Marys and some change for his weekly coffee and a weekly confession and are pretty easy going about morality and stuff. Born agains, well, the list goes on. Our personal God is who we want him to be. But who is He? I know longer know. I served Jehovah from my heart not going to the doors free of cost while secretly hoping for a Philosophers stone of free food "on the mountain tops", perfect health, my hearts desire, pet lions, harmless jelly fish and eternal life magiced by angels as I clean up the dead. I have always known that my body regenerates every seven years, that I become a different person roughly every 10 years, that I am not a soul, and that I will likely die. In the new order the former things will not be brought to mind. What's left? What's the kernel that Jesus spoke of that survives? Who cares. I wanted to help people. But I only fed the hungry truth books but maintained that charity is "corban" leaving them to "go and be well fed" as trying to solve this worlds problems is transient. I stayed out of politics not supporting or having anything to do with it. I was punched and kicked for refusing to stand before the flag. All this while the society continued to attempt to legally reform the laws of this and other countries when it served their interests. I could go on and on. I'm ranting. What can I say, I'd been a Witness well over 40 years, we tend to do that. I did get some good moral lessons and I don't smoke or do drugs. I have good morals. I gave no tattoo regrets, no piercings cause I'm a guy. Thats all good. (I do now have, yes, a beard! like Jesus, no privileges for me!:) The ritual and ever changing numerology witnesses peddle just hurts people. Their circular reasoning that hate is love, war is peace, rich is poor, and insistence of making their confiscated, transient "truth" your own is as abusive as the relationship I had with my wife before she changed. Perhaps "he Isn't in the inner courtyard of JW temples, he isn't in the outer courtyard of Christendom, or in the fields, but is this lightning flashes from east to west". Perhaps he will remember My deeds of godly devotion. I am now mortal. I gain my sense of morality is as do the nations Paul spoke of. I am as a sheep without a shepherd. But at least I now have better music in my life. Oh yeah... You asked a question didn't you? The short answer: There was short legal dispute between Carling Red Cap beer Canada over their "We love Carling redcap" commercial and a kingdom song (i can remember which one" which was removed in the next songbook before the new revised revised one. p/s Calvin isn't my name. But the Watchtower say kiting is ok (like Rahab) if others don't deserve the truth. I walked away clean and threw away the rearview Don't want any more baggage.
Welcome Calvin Tillis
May I say I enjoyed your comments, You should start your own tread with the above. Thanks
Welcome, Calvin. You sound like you've just about had enough!
It's great to hear from folks who personally remember some of this stuff.
I remember the magenta songbook. The absolute worst song was, "Firm and determined in this time of the end, something something the good news to defend," and then something about faces...
It sounded absolutely evil.
