Evolution disproved by 11 year old niece

by StopTheTears 285 Replies latest jw friends

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  Flat_Accent

  I like how you have completely ignored all my substantial evidence, and just gone straight for my ad hominem arguements. You disregarded my links, you avoided talking about the video I posted, you overlooked my correction of your understanding of evolution, and you shugged off the critisism to your own attempts to explain things. Instead, you focus attention on my personal opinion of you, because that's the only position you can defend. It's a very good skill.

  And the second half of your post is completely irrelevant and off topic. Don't try and shift the goal posts. The evidence is there, you just don't want to accept it.
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  N.drew

  You disregarded my links, you avoided talking about the video I posted, you overlooked my correction of your understanding of evolution, Flat_Accent

  I think I posted evidence that I did not disregard your links. I can't watch video on my computer, sorry. I did not overlook your understanding of evolution. I get it. I have to find a book that answers the important questions I have. One is; how is chance quick? And the other one is; what powers the mutations in the right direction?
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  thinking_1

  (Good Morning)

  For the record, I haven't called or insinuated that you or your friends are stupid. Even though this thread has deteriorated a bit (please no one mention the second law of thermodynamics, lol) I think there is still some life in it. And by "life" I don't mean proving myself right or someone else wrong. Personally if I leave any conversation without learning something new or getting a different perspective (even if it's just understanding the other person(s) better) than I feel that I have failed to communicate/listen well.

  So I would like to find out, from those who. . .distrust? evolution, or don't think it is a viable theory to explain the diversity of life as we know it, Why?

  Which part(s) do you contend with?

  Promise I won't preach or demean.

  Tec?

  N. Drew?
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  Flat_Accent

  One is; how is chance quick? And the other one is; what powers the mutations in the right direction?

  1) Chance is not quick, as we've spoken about, it has taken hundreds of millions of years for species to evolve to their current state. And even the Cambrian Explosion took place over 5 million years. So by any stretch of the imagination, Evolution is not quick. And really the separate answer to this ties in with your second question.

  2) Ability to survive. Simple as. There is no unseen power which gives animals 'good and bad' mutations. All humans are born with these changes in their genes, which explains why you do not look exactly like your parents. That in itself is a change. It is the ability to survive, however, which ensures that those with bad mutations die off, and those with beneficial mutations survive longer, reproduce more etc.

  EDIT: I should note though, that evolution is not a ladder. Humans were not the obvious result of all these years of evolution. It is considered a tree, with species branching off in different directions. Evolution is mindless, in that sense. It is the external factors that dictate which species live and which do not.
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  N.drew

  Which part(s) do you contend with?

  I have only one argument against evolution. Timing. But it is worse than useless to go into it here. I can not believe, even if the very best evolution book was inserted into my brain, that all the diversity of life happened within the time restrictions of the known universe. They (the brains on forum) did beat to death about it. So naturally I am only saying so to answer your question thinking-1. I don't want to talk about it.

  The other contention I have is; what powers evolution other than the sun, the gases (where did they come from?) the slime ect ect? It seems to me (please tell your bully friends not to hit me) that the power that moves evolution has an intelligence.
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  "Everything does not have a beginning and end, but your brain can't imagine it. Mine can!"

  "I have only one argument against evolution. Timing."

  ?
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  N.drew

  What is the book that goes into detail about the 1. time 2. power 3. direction (why what we have is what we have).
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  N.drew

  ? Is that a question?

  Creation is IN time. The Creator is OUT OF TIME.

  "Everything does not have a beginning and end, but your brain can't imagine it.

  "Everything" meaning not all entities.

  If that is so, you can imagine if you have the brain you think you have, that some things needed to be kept secret for a while. Now is OK because now I suspect wicked is OUT OF TIME. But that's another subject.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  " if you have the brain you think you have"

  Thanks for the insult N.drew!
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  Flat_Accent

  I can not believe, even if the very best evolution book was inserted into my brain, that all the diversity of life happened within the time restrictions of the known universe.

  That's an argument from personal incredulity N.Drew. Just because you can't believe how something could have happened, isn't a reason for thinking it is untrue. We have plenty of other evidence which proves evolution, i.e. fossils, DNA, retroviruses, currently evolving animals - so it's a no brainer that things DID evolve within the time restrictions of the universe.

  Think about it antrhopically. Things must have evolved in that time limit, because we're here for one!

  Your other question about what other powers are needed - well, there are no other powers needed. The sun gives energy and sustains life, it seems to work pretty well for plants without a need for divine intervention.