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IS HE A GOOD EXAMPLE
FOR YOU OR A WARNING?
“The God of Jacob . . . will instruct us about his ways,
and we will walk in his paths.”—ISA. 2:3.
OPENING COMMENTS
OT time for Christians…how to live like Jesus who was unknown to these individuals.
Is Solomon a good example? Jesus is called the GREATER SOLOMON by the WTS. Solomon died an apostate, unrepentant. But of course the WTS blames it on his wives; that somehow they forced him into it. Will he be resurrected?
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Jehovah also included in the inspired record the statement that at death Solomon “lay down [slept, AV,AS,RS] with his forefathers.” (1 Ki. 11:43; 2 Chron. 9:31) So, using the Bible’s parallelism, we can reasonably conclude that Solomon, along with his forefathers Abraham, Moses and David, is in Sheol or Hades, from which he will be resurrected.
If Solomon, as king of Israel, left Jehovah, God would reject him or cast him off. That is what happened. (1 Ki. 11:9-13) Nonetheless, the Scriptures indicate that Solomon apparently will receive a resurrection.—John 5:28, 29; Matt. 6:29; 12:42; Acts 7:47.
Yet Judas, another so-called unrepentant apostate is sent to Gehenna by the WTS.
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Soon they were joined by Judas Iscariot, whom Satan induced to be an apostate.
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Jesus implied this when he called Judas “the son of destruction.” (John 17:12) Similarly, unrepentant apostates go, at death, not to Sheol, or Hades, but to Gehenna. (Hebrews 6:4-8; 2 Peter 2:1) The same is true of dedicated Christians who persist in willful sin or those who “shrink back.” (Hebrews 10:26-31, 38, 39) These are merely examples to show that some, even in “this system of things,” have committed the sin for which there is no forgiveness, not even in the system of things “to come.” (Matthew 12:31, 32; compare 1 John 5:16.) They will, therefore, not be resurrected.
Warning? Where was the high priest; was he not warning Solomon or was he afraid he’d lose his head counseling the king? Do elders fear counseling the CO or DO? Who counsels the GB? I remember a BOE who would not counsel a fellow elder whose actions were hurting his family, people in the congregation, and was a bad example to non-jws. Why…because they were financially dependent on this corkhead.
START OF ARTICLE
1, 2. In what ways can you benefit from Bible examples?
ARE you not convinced that you can benefit
from what is written in the Bible?
Therein you find examples of faithful men
and women whose life course and qualities
you would like to imitate. (Heb. 11:32-34)
However, you have likely noted warning examples
also—men and women whose deeds
or attitudes you do well to avoid.
COMMENTS
David comes up in the next paragraph. Remember the punishment under the Law for murder and adultery was death, even if you were later repentant. Yet David nor Bathsheba were put to death. The WTS reasons that none of David’s other sons were acceptable to God thus he allowed Bathsheba and David to have a son, Solomon. But their first son was allowed to die because he would have died if Bathsheba had been put to death for adultery. David proved to be a good example, eh?
(Leviticus 20:10) . . .“‘Now a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife is one who commits adultery with the wife of his fellowman. He should be put to death without fail, the adulterer and the adulteress as well.
Once again the WTS brings up attitudes…yes, even your thoughts will be monitored and by imperfect men who cannot read hearts.
2 Actually, some individuals mentioned
in the Bible stand out both as good examples
of the course to follow and as warnings
of what to shun. Think of David, a humble
shepherd and then a powerful king. You
find in him a good example of one who
loved truth and trusted in Jehovah. Yet, David
was guilty of serious wrongs, such as
those involving Bath-Sheba, Uriah, and an
ill-advised census. Let us, though, focus on
his son—a king and also a Bible writer—Solomon.
We will first note two ways in which
he was a good example.
COMMENTS
Yes, and remember the census. David was even warned by a trusted friend Joab but chose to ignore his advice. David chose a pestilence as a punishment and 70,000 innocent people died for David’s sin. Once again others died not David.
(1 Chronicles 21:2-4) So David said to Joab and the chiefs of the people: “Go, count Israel from Be′er-she′ba to Dan and bring it to me that I may know their number.” But Joab said: “May Jehovah add to his people a hundred times as many as they are. Do they not, O my lord the king, all of them belong to my lord as servants? Why does my lord seek this? Why should he become a cause of guilt to Israel?” The king’s word, however, prevailed over Joab, so that Joab went out and walked through all Israel, after which he came to Jerusalem.
And once again we see the WTS flawed “reasoning.”
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As a punishment for this sin Jehovah brought three days of pestilence that killed 70,000 Israelites. (2 Sam. 24:12-16) Was that unjust? Were 70,000 innocent people dying for the king’s error? The Bible plainly shows that we all are sinners deserving of death; it is only by God’s undeserved kindness that we live. (Rom. 3:23; 6:23; Lam. 3:22, 23) So those who died had no special “right” to life. Additionally, can any human today say for sure that those 70,000 were not guilty of some serious sin not mentioned in the historical record?
“The Wisdom of Solomon”
3. Why can we say that Solomon set a good example
for us?
3 The Greater Solomon, Jesus Christ,
spoke favorably of King Solomon, setting
him before us as a good example. Jesus told
some doubting Jews: “The queen of the
south will be raised up in the judgment
with this generation and will condemn it;
because she came from the ends of the earth
to hear the wisdom of Solomon, but, look!
something more than Solomon is here.”
(Matt. 12:42) Yes, Solomon was famous for
his wisdom, and he urged us to acquire it.
COMMENTS
So the man who died an unrepentant apostate pictures Jesus? But what happened to Solomon’s wisdom during the end of his life? Is it “do as I say not as I do?”
Where in the bible does any Christian refer to Jesus as the Greater Solomon?
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This suggests the question: What is in the immediate future for the people of Jehovah on earth? With full confidence we will wait, and we shall see.” That confidence was not misplaced. Under theocratic organization a vast worldwide spiritual building program has gathered more than four million of the great crowd. Like the queen of Sheba, these have come from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of the Greater Solomon, Christ Jesus—channeled to them through “the faithful and discreet slave.”—Matthew 24:45-47.
4, 5. How did Solomon gain his wisdom, but how
is our acquiring of wisdom different?
4 At the start of Solomon’s kingship, God
appeared to him in a dream and invited him
to make a request. Aware of his limited experience,
Solomon requested wisdom. (Read
1 Kings 3:5-9.) Pleased that the king asked
for wisdom rather than for riches and glory,
God gave Solomon “a wise and understanding
heart”—as well as prosperity. (1 Ki. 3:10-
14) As Jesus mentioned, Solomon’s wisdom
was so outstanding that the queen of Sheba
heard of it and made a long trip to experience
it for herself.—1 Ki.10:1, 4-9.
COMMENTS
Solomon was no fool, he knew that wisdom would bring riches and glory with it. Do wonder if the queen of Sheba became a worshipper of Solomon’s God? Or did she go back to her previous beliefs? The WTS says that she pictures the great crowd; so did she?
5 We personally do not expect to receive
wisdom miraculously. Solomon said that
“Jehovah himself gives wisdom,” but he
wrote that we should strive to gain that godly
quality: “Pay attention to wisdom with
your ear, that you may incline your heart to
discernment.” Related to that, he used expressions
such as “call out for,” “keep seeking
for,” and “keep searching for” wisdom.
(Prov. 2:1-6) Clearly, we can gain wisdom.
COMMENTS
Did Solomon’s “miraculous” wisdom do any permanent good for him? Is there any wisdom apart from the WTS?
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All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.—John 6:68.
6. In what ways may we show that we are benefiting
from Solomon’s good example as to wisdom?
6 It would be good to ask, ‘Am I taking
to heart Solomon’s example of treasuring
divine wisdom?’ Economic uncertainties
have moved many to concentrate on their
job and finances or have influenced decisions
about the type and amount of education
to seek. What about you and your
family? Do your choices indicate that you
are treasuring and seeking divine wisdom?
Would adjusting your focus or goals allow
you to acquire more wisdom? Really, gaining
and applying wisdom is for your lasting
good. Solomon wrote: “In that case you
will understand righteousness and judgment
and uprightness, the entire course of
what is good.”—Prov. 2:9.
COMMENTS
Once again education is bashed, type and amount. So what “type” is God-approved, and what “amount”? What scripture bears that out?
What focus, what goals? I hate open-ended statements that could have anything read into them. Can jws depend on the congregation or organization to help them out, say being used by God, to provide a job or money? Or do they expect a “miracle” that they say will not be used to give one wisdom?
Elevating True Worship Brought Peace
7. How did God come to have a grand temple?
7 Early in his reign, Solomon took steps to
replace the tabernacle, in use since Moses’
day, with a magnificent temple. (1 Ki. 6:1)
We may call it Solomon’s temple, but it was
not his idea or his way to make a name for
himself as an architect or a wealthy benefactor.
In fact, it was David who first proposed
building a temple, where upon God gave David
detailed plans for the temple and its furnishings.
And David made a great contribution to
finance the work. (2 Sam. 7:2, 12, 13;
1 Chron. 22:14-16) Still, it fell on Solomon
to carry out this building project that went
on for seven and a half years.—1 Ki. 6:37, 38;
7:51.
COMMENTS
So why was David not used to build…because he had blood on his hands…but it was God who killed 70,000 people for David’s sin…how much blood was that on God’s hands?
Solomon should never have been born if his mother had been executed according to the Law as an adulterer.
Did you know that people, Jews and non-Jews, were pressed into service (forced labor) to build the temple?
How much did it cost?
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This total, amounting to 108,000 talents and 10,000 darics of gold and 1,017,000 talents of silver, would be worth $48,337,047,000 at current values. (1988)
8, 9. (a) We find in Solomon what good example
as to persevering in good works? (b) What resulted
from Solomon’s elevating of true worship?
8 Thus Solomon set a good example for
us of persevering in good works, and he
kept the right focus. When the temple
was finished and the ark of the covenant
was placed in it, Solomon offered a public
prayer. In part, he prayed to Jehovah: “[May
your]eyes . . . prove to be opened toward this
house night and day, toward the place of
which you said, ‘My name will prove to be
there,’ to listen to the prayer with which
your servant prays toward this place.” (1 Ki.
8:6, 29) Israelites and foreigners could pray
toward this structure on which God’s name
was called.—1 Ki. 8:30, 41-43, 60.
COMMENTS
Right focus? His material needs were well taken care of, while others were forced into labor.
A name that in its original form and pronunciation is no longer known.
9 What resulted from Solomon’s elevating
of true worship? After celebrating the
temple’s inauguration, the people were “rejoicing
and feeling merry of heart over all
the goodness that Jehovah had performed
for David his servant and for Israel.” (1 Ki.
8:65, 66) In fact, remarkable peace and
prosperity marked Solomon’s 40-year reign.
(Read 1 Kings 4:20, 21, 25.) Psalm 72 reflects
that and gives us insight into the
blessings we will enjoy under the rule of
the Greater Solomon, Jesus Christ.—Ps. 72:
6-8,16.
COMMENTS
I always wondered if Uriah’s family rejoiced over David’s goodness. I also wonder how Bathsheba could stay married to the man who murdered her husband…but then he was a king and her son became the next king, not bad for a dead husband.
Did peace and prosperity continue during Solomon’s reign after he became an apostate or did God remove his holy spirit as the WTS says he will from a congregation when a member is secretly sinning?
Solomon applied God-given wisdom
Solomon’s Warning Example
10. What failing on Solomon’s part may readily
come to mind?
10 Why, though, can we say that Solomon’s
life course is also a warning example?
You may think first of his foreign wives and
concubines. We read: “It came about in the
time of Solomon’s growing old that his
wives themselves had inclined his heart to
follow other gods; and his heart did not
prove to be complete with Jehovah.” (1 Ki.
11:1-6) Undoubtedly, you are determined
never to imitate his foolish course. But is
that the only warning we find in Solomon’s
life? Consider some details of his life that
are easily overlooked, and see what warning
you find.
COMMENTS
Once again women are the cause of a man’s choices….like Eve influencing Adam?
11. We can conclude what about Solomon’s first
marriage?
11 Solomon reigned for 40 years. (2 Chron.
9:30) Hence, what can you conclude from
1 Kings 14:21? (Read.) According to that
verse, upon Solomon’s death his son Rehoboam became
king at age 41, his mother being
“Naamah the Ammonitess.” This means
that before Solomon became king, he married
a foreigner from an enemy nation that
served idol gods. (Judg. 10:6; 2 Sam. 10:6)
Did she worship them? Even if she did at one
time, she may have turned away from idols
and may have become a true worshipper, as
did Rahab and Ruth. (Ruth 1:16; 4:13-17;
Matt. 1:5, 6) Still, Solomon likely came to
have Ammonite in-laws and relatives who
did not serve Jehovah.
COMMENTS
“before Solomon became king” does that mean when David was still alive? Didn’t his parents counsel him?
“may have” = let’s add to the bible
So if your wife to be has become a jw and her family are not, you can’t marry her?
12, 13. Solomon made what poor decision early in
his reign, and how might he have reasoned?
12 And things definitely took a bad turn
after he became king. Solomon formed “a
marriage alliance with Pharaoh the king of
Egypt and [took] Pharaoh’s daughter and
[brought] her to the City of David.” (1 Ki.
3:1) Did this Egyptian woman imitate Ruth
by taking up true worship? Nothing indicates
that she did so. Rather, in time Solomon
built a house for her (and perhaps her
Egyptian maids) outside the City of David.
Why? The Scriptures say that he did so because
it was not fitting for a false worshipper
to dwell near the ark of the covenant.
—2 Chron. 8:11.
COMMENTS
Where was Solomon’s wisdom?
Was Solomon’s sex organ ruling his head…or did he not trust in God’s power to protect them from outside kingdoms and made political marriages?
Was just the ark holy or was the whole nation of Israel holy? Where was his wisdom then?
Where are these WTS comments leading?
13 Solomon may have seen political advantages
in marrying an Egyptian princess,
yet could he justify it? Long before, God had
forbidden the marrying of pagan Canaanites,
even listing certain peoples. (Ex. 34:11-
16) Did Solomon reason that Egypt was not
one of those listed nations? Even if he reasoned
that way, would such rationalizing be
valid? Actually, his course ignored the clear
risk that Jehovah had mentioned—that of
turning an Israelite from true worship to
false.—Read Deuteronomy 7:1-4.
Marrying a Canaanite at Deuteronomy 7:1-4 forbidden but marrying a non-Israelite at Deut: 21:10-13 allowed. (These were 2 scriptures I discovered during a meeting when I was trying to stay awake…the WTS tends to use Deut. 7:1-4 and skip 21:10-13)
(Deuteronomy 7:1-4) “When Jehovah your God at last brings you into the land to which you are going so as to take possession of it, he must also clear away populous nations from before you, the Hit′tites and the Gir′ga·shites and the Am′or·ites and the Ca′naan·ites and the Per′iz·zites and the Hi′vites and the Jeb′u·sites, seven nations more populous and mighty than you are. And Jehovah your God will certainly abandon them to you, and you must defeat them. You should without fail devote them to destruction. You must conclude no covenant with them nor show them any favor. And you must form no marriage alliance with them. Your daughter you must not give to his son, and his daughter you must not take for your son. For he will turn your son from following me, and they will certainly serve other gods; and Jehovah’s anger will indeed blaze against YOU, and he will certainly annihilate you in a hurry.
Was he rationalizing or was in the Law?
(Deuteronomy 21:10-13) “In case you go out to the battle against your enemies and Jehovah your God has given them into your hand and you have carried them away captive; and you have seen among the captives a woman beautiful in form, and you have got attached to her and taken her for your wife, you must then bring her into the midst of your house. She must now shave her head and attend to her nails, and remove the mantle of her captivity from off her and dwell in your house and weep for her father and her mother a whole lunar month; and after that you should have relations with her, and you must take possession of her as your bride, and she must become your wife.
And why was this different per the WTS (assuming a woman has no brain and can’t remember what her family’s beliefs were and could pass them on)
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What was the reason for this restriction? Deuteronomy 7:4 says: “For he will turn your son from following me, and they will certainly serve other gods.” The prohibition, then, was for the purpose of protecting the Israelites from religious contamination. However, a foreign woman in the circumstances described at Deuteronomy 21:10-13 presented no such threat. All her relatives were dead, and images representing her gods were destroyed. She had no contact with practicers of false religion. An Israelite was allowed to marry a foreigner under such circumstances.
14. How might we benefit from taking to heart Solomon’s
warning example?
14 Will we let Solomon’s course be a warning
example for us? A sister might attempt
to rationalize forming a romantic link that
ignores God’s directive to marry “only in
the Lord.” (1 Cor. 7:39) With similar rationalizing,
one might share in extracurricular
sports or clubs at school, underreport taxable
income, or tell untruths when asked to
reveal actions that could be embarrassing.
The point is, Solomon must have used imperfect
reasoning to get around what God
commanded, and that same danger exists
for us.
COMMENTS
So if they man’s family are all dead, he worships no false gods, and never leaves the KH….
Extracurricular sports or clubs at school (clubs not at school are okay?) and the big sin, underreport taxable income. It’s not a lie if the person is not entitled to the truth, right?
Solomon “must have” – let’s add to the bible account again.
What God commanded – what the WTS/FDS/GB commands since all God’s wisdom channels through them.
15. How did Jehovah show mercy in dealing with
Solomon, but what should we remember about
that?
15 It is interesting that after mentioning
Solomon’s marriage to that foreign princess,
the Bible relates that God granted his
request for wisdom, and He also added riches.
(1 Ki. 3:10-13) Solomon had ignored
God’s instructions, yet there is no indication
that Jehovah quickly rejected him as
king or strongly disciplined him. That accords
with the fact that God realizes that we
are imperfect humans, made from dust. (Ps.
103:10, 13, 14) Remember though: Our actions
can have consequences now or perhaps
down the line.
COMMENTS
So that means if a sister does marry an unbeliever that God will not “quickly” reject her as a jw or strongly discipline her. God even will bless this sister as God blessed Solomon with wisdom and riches.
So Many Wives!
16. In taking many wives, what was Solomon ignoring?
16 In the Song of Solomon, the king said
admiringly of a certain virgin that she was
more beautiful than 60 queens and 80 concubines.
(Song of Sol. 6:1, 8-10) If that refers
to Solomon’s situation, he had acquired
that many women at that point in his reign.
Even if most or all of them were true worshippers,
God’s direction through Moses
was that a king of Israel should “not multiply wives
for himself, that his heart may not
turn aside.” (Deut. 17:17) Again, though, Jehovah
did not simply turn away from Solomon.
In fact, God still blessed Solomon, using
him to compose the Bible book Song of
Solomon.
COMMENTS
“even if all or most of them were true worshippers” = guessing and adding to the bible again
God did not turn away from Solomon….blessed…even allowed to write part of the HOLY Scriptures…hmm where is this going?
17. What reality should we not ignore?
17 Does this suggest that Solomon could
ignore God’s direction with impunity or
that we can do so? No. Rather, it shows that
God’s forbearance can go on for some time.
Yet, that one of God’s people can ignore his
direction with no immediate negative consequence
does not mean that there will be
no sad outcome eventually. Recall what Solomon
wrote: “Because sentence against a
bad work has not been executed speedily,
that is why the heart of the sons of men has
become fully set in them to do bad.” He
added: “I am also aware that it will turn out
well with those fearing the true God, because
they were in fear of him.”—Eccl. 8:
11, 12.
COMMENTS
So what consequence did Solomon, even dying an unrepentant apostate did not consign him to Gehenna (as it would Judas per the WTS)?
So what punishment does the bible say would come to those disobeying God’s…or rather the WTS/FDS/GB commands?
18. How did Solomon’s case illustrate the truth we
find at Galatians 6:7?
18 If only Solomon had kept heeding that
divine truth! Yes, he had done much good
and had long enjoyed divine blessings. But
over time, he took one false step after another.
A bad pattern developed. How true what
the apostle Paul was later inspired to write:
“Do not be misled: God is not one to be
mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this
he will also reap”! (Gal. 6:7) In time, Solomon
reaped sad fruitage from ignoring
God’s direction. We read: “King Solomon
himself loved many foreign wives along
with the daughter of Pharaoh, Moabite,
Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian and Hittite
women.” (1 Ki.11:1) Many of those likely remained
attached to false gods, and Solomon
was not immune. He went astray and
lost the favor of our patient God.—Read
1 Kings 11:4-8.
COMMENTS
What did Solomon lose? Does the WTS say he lost favor with God?
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Jehovah also included in the inspired record the statement that at death Solomon “lay down [slept, AV,AS,RS] with his forefathers.” (1 Ki. 11:43; 2 Chron. 9:31) So, using the Bible’s parallelism, we can reasonably conclude that Solomon, along with his forefathers Abraham, Moses and David, is in Sheol or Hades, from which he will be resurrected.
If Solomon, as king of Israel, left Jehovah, God would reject him or cast him off. That is what happened. (1 Ki. 11:9-13) Nonetheless, the Scriptures indicate that Solomon apparentlywill receive a resurrection.—John 5:28, 29; Matt. 6:29; 12:42; Acts 7:47.
Learn From His Example—Good and Bad
19. Why can you say that the Bible contains many
good examples?
19 Jehovah kindly inspired Paul to write:
“All the things that were written aforetime
were written for our instruction, that
through our endurance and through the
comfort from the Scriptures we might have
hope.” (Rom. 15:4) Those written things include many
good examples, men and women
of outstanding faith. Paul could say:
“What more shall I say? For the time will fail
me if I go on to relate about Gideon, Barak,
Samson, Jephthah, David as well as Samuel
and the other prophets, who through
faith defeated kingdoms in conflict, effected
righteousness, obtained promises, . . .
from a weak state were made powerful.”
(Heb. 11:32-34) We can and should benefit
from the good examples found in the Scriptures,
following or imitating what is presented
in those fine Biblical accounts.
COMMENTS
Now Paul gave OT examples because he was part of the new congregation yet to make a faithful name. But why does the WTS find it so hard 2,000 years later to find Christian examples?
20, 21. Why are you determined to benefit from
warning examples found in God’s Word?
20 Certain Bible accounts, however, include
warning examples. We can find some
of those in the lives of men and women
whom Jehovah at one point accepted and
used as his servants. As we read the Bible, we
can note where and how some of God’s people
went astray and thus became warning
examples. We can discern that some gradually
developed wrong attitudes or tendencies,
which eventually produced sad consequences.
How can we draw lessons from
such accounts? We may want to ask ourselves
such questions as: ‘How did that develop?
Might such a trend develop in my
case? What can I do to avoid that and instead
to benefit from this warning example?’
COMMENTS
Is the WTS a warning example of the many errors in explanation of prophecy, the end to come in 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1940’s, 1975, (1984), (1994) and VERY SOON NOW?
http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php
What does the WTS consider “wrong attitudes or tendencies” another open-ended phrase.
21 We certainly should consider these examples
seriously, for Paul was inspired to
write: “These things went on befalling them
as examples, and they were written for a
warning to us upon whom the ends of the
systems of things have arrived.”—1 Cor.
10:11.
COMMENTS
Did 1 st century Christians feel that the end came in 70 C.E.?
Were you among the jws that thought the end was coming in 1975? Hopefully in 1984, 70 years after 1914, or 1994, 80 years after 1914, and were disappointed when the WTS ended the 1914 generation teaching in 1995?
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A generation, according to Psalm 90:10, is from seventy to eighty years . The generation that witnessed the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 does not have many more years left.—Luke 21:24, 32-36.
Are you benefiting from the warning example involving Solomon?
What Have You Learned?
Why can you find both good
examples and warning examples
in the Bible?
How did Solomon allow a bad
pattern to develop in his life?
How can you benefit from
Solomon’s warning example?
CLOSING COMMENTS
So what was the WTS saying when it pointed out that Solomon had already married an unbeliever when God gave him wisdom, glory, riches and the privilege to write a part of the bible? When did Solomon receive his punishment if even after death as an unrepentant apostate, he will be resurrected. There is hope then for all “apostates” today in the account of Solomon.
Next week, WHY BE GUIDED BY GOD’S SPIRIT?
Does God’s spirit only come through the WTS organization?
Love, Blondie