US Marines posed with Nazi "SS" flag in Afghanistan

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    dontplaceliterature

    US Marines posed with Nazi symbol in Afghanistan

    Associated Press By JULIE WATSON | Associated Press – 12 hrs ago
    • This Sept. 2010 photo posted recently on the Titiusville, Fla.- based arms manufacturer Knight's Armament's Internet blog, shows members of Charlie Company, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, out of Camp Pendleton, Calif. in Sangin, Helmand province, Afghanistan. The Marine Corps confirmed Thursday Feb. 8, 2012 that one of its scout sniper teams in Afghanistan posed for a photograph in front of a flag with a logo resembling that of the notorious Nazi SS. (AP Photo/knightarmco.com)

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    • This Sept. 2010 photo posted recently on the Titiusville, Fla.- based arms manufacturer Knight's Armament's Internet blog, shows members of Charlie Company, 1st Reconnaissance Battalion, out of Camp Pendleton, Calif. in Sangin, Helmand province, Afghanistan. The Marine Corps confirmed Thursday Feb. 8, 2012 that one of its scout sniper teams in Afghanistan posed for a photograph in front of a flag with a logo resembling that of the notorious Nazi SS. (AP Photo/knightarmco.com) Enlarge Photo

      This Sept. 2010 photo posted recently on the Titiusville, Fla.- based arms manufacturer …

    SAN DIEGO (AP) — The Marine Corps on Thursday once again did damage control after a photograph surfaced of a sniper team in Afghanistan posing in front of a flag with a logo resembling that of the notorious Nazi SS — a special unit that murdered millions of Jews, gypsies and others.

    The Corps said in a statement that using the symbol was not acceptable, but the Marines in the photograph taken in September 2010 will not be disciplined because investigators determined it was a naïve mistake.

    The Marines believed the SS symbol was meant to represent sniper scouts and never intended to be associated with a racist organization, said Maj. Gabrielle Chapin , a spokeswoman at Camp Pendleton, where the Marines were based.

    "I don't believe that the Marines involved would have ever used any type of symbol associated the Nazi Germany military criminal organization that committed mass atrocities in WWII," Chapin said. "It's not within who we are as Marines."

    The Corps has used the incident as a training tool to talk to troops about what symbols are acceptable after it became aware of the photograph last November, Chapin said.

    The image has since surfaced on an Internet blog, sparking widespread outrage and calls for a full investigation and punishment, including bringing those in the photograph and anyone who condoned it to court martial.

    "This is a complete and total outrage," said Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, headquartered in Albuquerque, N.M.

    His organization sent a letter to the head of the Marine Corps , Gen. James Amos, and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Thursday, demanding punishment for those involved.

    It was the second time this year the Marine Corps has had to do damage control for actions of its troops. It's also investigating a separate group of Marines recorded on video urinating on the dead bodies of Taliban fighters..

    "First we have Marines peeing on dead bodies and now this," Weinstein said.

    The Marines in the photograph are no longer with the unit. Chapin said she did not know if they are still in the Corps.

    In the photo taken in the Afghanistan town of Sangin, the Marine Corps unit is posing with guns in front of an American flag and a large, dark blue flag with what appear to be the letters " SS " in the shape of white jagged lightning bolts.

    Camp Pendleton spokesman, Master Gunnery Sgt. Mark Oliva, said he did not know where the flag came from but it was likely the property of one of the Marines in the photograph.

    The photograph appeared on the blog for a military weapons company called Knight's Armament in Titusville, Fla. The company did not respond to emails or phone messages left by The Associated Press.

    The SS, or Schutzstaffel, was the police and military force of the Nazi Party, which was distinct from the general army. Members pledged an oath of loyalty to Adolph Hitler.

    SS units were held responsible for many war crimes and played an integral role in the extermination of millions of Jews along with gypsies and other people who were deemed undesirable. The SS was declared to be a criminal organization at the Nuremberg war crime trials.

    Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, said he does not buy the explanation that posing with the flag was an innocent mistake and insisted the American public has a right to know what happened.

    "If you look at any book on the Nazi period, this is the dreaded symbol of the SS, and to have a Marine Corps unit adopt it and put it beside the American flag when 200,000 Americans died to free the world of that dreaded symbol is just beyond the pale," he said.

  • dontplaceliterature
    dontplaceliterature

    Has anyone else seen this? The sad thing is, I'm not really surprised. This kind of crap makes me ashamed.

  • hotspur
    hotspur

    Does nobody study history anymmore?

    "Sniper Scout"?

  • undercover
    undercover

    While I don't condone the use of the flag, I do understand it to a degree. I don't buy the "sniper scout" story. I think they knew...and I think they knew that that symbol was something that struck fear in people who saw it. It's not about racism or genocide...it's just a physchological ploy. During war things that seem offensive to civilized people back home isn't given a second thought by the troops in the trenches. I remember that some troops in Vietnam used the swastika and the Confederate battle flag or Navy Jack. They weren't official banners or symbols, just things that someone or some group attached to a tank or truck or helmet. These guys are facing death. I don't think they care that people back home get upset about a battle banner.

    Then again... maybe they were just AC/DC fans...

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety

    One of those guys in that picture looks like my brother in law who was deployed to Afghanistan last December out of Pendleton. I remember family saying he was going to make scout sniper the way he was going (he's a great shot, runs in his family) early last year....I'm gonna have to ask....

  • dontplaceliterature
    dontplaceliterature

    Not that as a Jehovah's Witness I would necessarily be familiar with such things, but until I read this report, I had never heard of Sniper Scouts.

    I minored in American History and Political Science in college...and am pretty knowledgable about WWII history as well. There was no question in my mind what that flag represented when I saw it. I have a hard time believing that out of all of the men in the picture, and all of the ones who saw that flag before it was used, that someone didn't point out it's association with Nazi Germany. It's a symbol of White Supremacy, much like the Rebel Flag. Plain and simple. These guys are idiots for doing this.

    I grew up in a rural area where racism was common among the young people in my high school. A lot of these guys joined the military because they didn't want to be farmers, and were not wealthy or studious enough to go to college. Some of them would be very capable of doing something like this....or peeing on a dead Muslim extremest for that matter.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    If it were meant as a Neo-Nazi symbol, why is the flag Blue & White instead of Black & Red?

  • dontplaceliterature
    dontplaceliterature

    james_woods

    A quick google image search revealed to me some SS Flags for sale which are slightly discolored and appear dark-blue. It's not certain to me that the flag pictured in the OP is blue or black. It could be faded, or it could be lighting that makes it appear blue. Or, it could be blue. I'm not sure.

    Additionally, a google image search does not reveal a common use of that symbol in association with Sniper Scouts. I don't feel compelled to defend these guys over this action. I'm not saying they should be severely punished, but they should have been more careful, for sure. We already have a hard enough time making a good impression on foreign nations without this kind of crap floating around.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    http://lumberjocks.com/assets/pictures/projects/51142-438x.jpg

    ...OUTLAW

  • undercover
    undercover

    Ya know... OUTLAW... that image on the left gives credence to their story.

    If they were familiar with that image, then maybe, maybe, they borrowed it from that. But to me the image shows a sniper's scope on an SS symbol which means 'we gonna get you, you Nazi bastard'.

    But that war was 60 some years ago. Kids today aren't going to know all the symbols and banners from that long ago, though a student of war history would and should know.

    Personally, I give em a pass. I'd just tell em that flag is offensive to some people and we need to find another symbol. No big deal.

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