Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear At The 02-12-2012 WT Study (GUIDED HOLY SPIRIT)

The holy spirit does indeed play an important part in the lives of the other sheep. They symbolize their dedication to Jehovah by being baptized “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.” (Matthew 28:19)

But says this is the question jws answer when they are baptized:

*** w85 6/1 p.30***

At the close of the convention baptism talk, the baptism candidates will be in position to answer with depth of understanding and heartfelt appreciation two simple questions that serve to confirm that they recognize the implications of following Christ’s example. The first question is:

On thebasisofthesacrificeofJesusChrist,haveyourepentedofyoursinsanddedicatedyourselftoJehovahtodohiswill?

The second is:

Do youunderstandthatyourdedicationandbaptismidentifyyouasoneofJehovah’sWitnessesinassociationwithGod’sspirit-directedorganization?

Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism.

The Watchtower organization takes the place of God’s holy spirit.

START OF ARTICLE

1. Illustrate how an invisible force can guide a person.

HAVE you ever used a compass to find

your way? A compass is a simple device

with only one moving part—a magnetic

needle pointing toward the north. Because

of an invisible force known as magnetism,

the needle of the compass aligns itself with

the magnetic field surrounding the earth

between its poles. For centuries, explorers

and travelers have used the compass to

guide their way over land and sea.

COMMENTS

Why a compass? Who has or has used a compass at the KH…maybe a GPS. It takes skill and intelligence to use a compass…whereas the GPS does your thinking for you. Does a GPS have an invisible force, a signal from a satellite unseen in the sky.

2, 3. (a) What powerful force did Jehovah use

aeons ago? (b) Why should we expect God’s invisible

active force to guide our lives today?

2 There is another invisible force that is

even more essential for our guidance. What

is it? The one described in the opening verses

of the Bible. Speaking of what Jehovah accomplished

aeons ago, Genesis states: “In

the beginning God created the heavens and

the earth. “As he did so, he sent forth a powerful

force, for the creation account adds:

“God’s active force was moving to and fro.”

(Gen. 1:1, 2) What was at work? Holy spirit

—the dynamic force behind creation. We

owe our existence to Jehovah’s use of this

spirit to produce all his works.—Job 33:4; Ps.

104:30.

COMMENTS

So are jws more familiar with guidance that requires personal skill and intelligence or from the WTS publications, where your thinking is done for you?

What does Genesis 1:1,2 say in other bibles?

NIV = Spirit of God

ASV = Spirit of God (pre NWT bible used by WT)

So why the change? Is the WTS doing the thinking for jws?

3 As living, breathing humans, should we

expect God’s active force to have any further

effect on our lives? God’s own Son knew

that we should, for Jesus said to his disciples:

“The spirit . . . will guide you into all the

truth.” (John 16:13) How are we to understand

what this spirit is, and why should we

want to be guided by it?

COMMENTS

What do jws expect will happen when the spirit operates on them? How can they tell? Is the holy spirit only available and understood through the WTS? How do you know that God is blessing your through holy spirit if a) you die because of “persecution” like Steven or James or b) some survive persecution like Silas; a) some are blessed materially like Solomon and Job and b) those die in poverty? Shall jws assume that if they are well off they have God’s favor and the older sister who lives in a run down nursing home deserves it.

The Nature of Holy Spirit

4, 5. (a) What do Trinitarians wrongly think that

the holy spirit is? (b) How would you explain the

true nature of holy spirit?

4 Likely, some of the people you talk to in

the ministry believe in what the King James

Version and some other Bible translations

call the Holy Ghost. Trinitarians wrongly

think that this is a spirit person equal with

God the Father. (1 Cor. 8:6) It is noteworthy,

however, that throughout The Webster Bible,

an amended King James Version originally

published in 1833, American lexicographer

Noah Webster replaced “Holy Ghost” with

“Holy Spirit.” Webster did so because he

knew that in the Scriptures this expression

did not mean “an apparition.”*

*In the preface of his Bible, Webster wrote: “Whenever

words are understood in a sense different from that

which they had when introduced, and different from

that of the original languages, they do not present to the

reader the Word of God.”

COMMENTS

Noah Webster may have replaced “Holy Ghost” with “Holy Spirit” but the WTS has replaced it with “active force.”

So does the WTS agree with Webster’s view of the trinity?

TRIN'ITY, n. [L. trinitas; tres and unus, unitas, one, unity.]

In theology, the union of three persons in one Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

In my whole essay, there is not any thing like an objection against the Trinity.

http://www.1828-dictionary.com/d/word/trinity

5 What, then, is the true nature of holy

spirit? A footnote at Genesis 1:2 in the

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures—

With References states: “Besides being

translated ‘spirit,’ ru_ach [Hebrew] is also

translated ‘wind’ and by other words that

denote an invisible active force.” (Compare

footnotes at Genesis 3:8; 8:1.) Just as wind is

invisible but exerts force, so the immaterial,

impersonal holy spirit is unseen but produces

effects. This spirit is energy from God

projected and exerted on people or things to

accomplish his will. Is it hard to believe that

such a marvelous force emanates from the

holy Source, Almighty God? Not at all!

—Read Isaiah 40:12,13.

COMMENTS

Don’t confuse a footnote as being the bible itself, but rather a human explanation apart from your own.

So humans don’t have a choice if the spirit is “projected and exerted on people….his will” or other humans like the WTS? Why then are people to pray, ask for holy spirit if they cannot choose?

6. What significant appeal did David make to Jehovah?

6 Can Jehovah continue to use his spirit to

guide us through life? He promised the

psalmist David: “I shall make you have insight

and instruct you in the way you should

go.” (Ps. 32:8) Did David want that? Yes, for

he appealed to Jehovah: “Teach me to do

your will, for you are my God. Your spirit is

good; may it lead me.” (Ps. 143:10) We

should have the same desire and willingness

to be guided by God’s spirit. Why so? Consider

four reasons.

COMMENTS

David again, OT and an adulterer and murderer that somehow evaded the punishment under the Law, death.

Where was David looking for God to lead him when he saw Bathsheba, had her brought to David’s house, had sex with her, and when she became pregnant, how was David looking to God to lead him, and had Uriah murdered, even knowing that God sees all things?

We Are Not Qualified to Guide Ourselves

7, 8. (a) Why are we not able to guide ourselves independent

of God? (b) Illustrate why we dare not try

to find our own way through this wicked system of

things.

7 First, we should want to be guided by

God’s spirit because we are not capable of

guiding ourselves. “To guide” means “to direct

in a course or show the way to be followed.”

However, Jehovah did not create us

with the ability to do that for ourselves, especially

not in our imperfect condition. His

prophet Jeremiah wrote: “O Lord, I am conscious

that a man’s way is not in himself:

man has no power of guiding his steps.” (Jer.

10:23, The Bible in Basic English) And why

not? Jeremiah heard God’s analysis of why

we are impaired when it comes to directing

ourselves. Speaking of the person we are inside,

Jehovah said: “The heart is more treacherous

than anything else and is desperate.

Who can know it?”—Jer. 17:9; Matt. 15:19.

COMMENTS

David felt he could guide himself 1) adultery 2) murderer 3) census and chose death of 70,000 other people rather than himself.

The WTS excuses these sins and finds Judas worthy of eternal death but not Solomon who died an unrepentant apostate.

The WTS uses other bible translations (The Bible in Basic English); is the NWT deficient, can jws use other translations in their public talks and talks in the TMS?

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-Basic-English-BBE.html

8 Would it not be foolhardy for an inexperienced

person to set off alone, without a

skilled guide and not so much as a compass,

hiking deep into an uncharted wilderness?

Not knowing how to survive inhospitable

conditions in the wild and not having the

expertise to find his way safely to his destination,

he would be putting his life in jeopardy.

So, too, the person who thinks he can direct

his course through this wicked world

without allowing God to show him the right

way is placing his life in grave danger. The

only chance we have of traversing this system

of things successfully is to make the

same prayerful request to Jehovah that David

did: “Let my steps take hold on your

tracks, in which my footsteps will certainly

not be made to totter.” (Ps.17:5; 23:3) How is

it possible to receive such guidance?

COMMENTS

But would it be foolhardy to continuing using a compass that has pointed you in the wrong direction or pointed others many times>1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1940’s, 1975, 1984, 1994???

http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

Did Bible Students or later jws reach the destination of the end in 1914, 1915, 1920, 1925, 1975, 1984 (1914 + 70 years generation), 1994 (1914 + 80 years generation)?

Is it that God was wrong or that God was never leading the WTS?

9. As depicted on page 17, how can God’s spirit

serve as a sure guide for us?

9 If we are humble and willing to depend

on Jehovah, he will impart to us his holy

spirit as a sure guide for our steps. How will

that active force help us? Jesus explained to

his disciples: “The helper, the holy spirit,

which the Father will send in my name, that

one will teach you all things and bring back

to your minds all the things I told you.”

(John 14:26) As we regularly and prayerfully

study God’s Word, including all the sayings

of Christ, holy spirit will increase our comprehension

of Jehovah’s deep wisdom, so

that we can follow his will closely. (1 Cor. 2:

10) Additionally, at any unexpected turn in

the road to life, the spirit will show us the

way to go. It will bring to mind Bible principles

that we have already learned and help

us to grasp how they apply in directing our

next step.

COMMENTS

Humble enough to depend on God or was it depending on a human organization that has shown over and over it does not know where it is going?

*** w94 10/1 p.8***

All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the “greatly diversified wisdom of God” can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.—John 6:68.

It a person reads the bible and the “spirit” helps them see they are going the wrong way, can they disregard the compass direction from this human organization?

Jesus Was Guided by God’s Spirit

10, 11. What expectation did the only-begotten

Son of God have regarding holy spirit, and what did

he experience?

10 A second reason why we should want to

be guided by holy spirit is that God led his

own Son by it. Before coming to earth,

the only-begotten Son of God knew of the

prophecy: “Upon him the spirit of Jehovah

must settle down, the spirit of wisdom and

of understanding, the spirit of counsel and of

mightiness, the spirit of knowledge and of

the fear of Jehovah.” (Isa. 11:2) Just imagine

how eager Jesus was to receive the help of

God’s spirit while residing in the environment

that he faced here on earth!

COMMENTS

Did Jesus receive his direction through the religious leaders of his time or did he rebuke them when their teachings conflicted with God’s?

Or did he call them blind guides leading the blind into a ditch?

11 Jehovah’s words came true. The Gospel

record states what happened immediately after

Jesus’ baptism: “Now Jesus, full of holy

spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he

was led about by the spirit in the wilderness.”

(Luke 4:1) There, while Jesus was fasting,

praying, and meditating, Jehovah likely instructed

and enlightened his Son about what

lay ahead for him. God’s active force was at

work on Jesus’ mind and heart, guiding his

thinking and decisions. As a result, Jesus

knew what to do in each situation, and he

did exactly what his Father wanted him

to do.

COMMENTS

LIKELY = the bible does not say, but of course the WTS info is more important than the bible.

12. Why is it necessary that we ask for God’s spirit

to lead us?

12 Knowing the value of the effects of

God’s spirit in his own life, Jesus impressed

on his disciples the importance of their asking

for and being led by holy spirit. (Read

Luke 11:9-13.) Why is that so necessary for

us? Because it can transform our thinking, so

that it resembles the mind of Christ. (Rom.

12:2; 1 Cor. 2:16) By letting God’s spirit guide

our lives, we can think as Christ does and imitate

his example.—1 Pet. 2:21.

COMMENTS

Letting god’s spirit or as explained by the WTS/FDS/GB? Bible understanding is only attained through the WTS per the WTS.

The World’s Spirit Would Lead Us Astray

13. What is the world’s spirit, and what does it produce?

13 The third reason for wanting God’s spirit

to guide us is that without it we could be

led astray by the unholy spirit that is at work

in the lives of most people today. The world

has its own powerful, impelling force that foments

a course totally opposite of what holy

spirit can produce in us. Rather than fostering

in people the mind of Christ, the world’s

spirit causes their thinking and actions to resemble

those of the ruler of the world, Satan.

(Read Ephesians 2:1-3; Titus 3:3.) When a

person gives in to the world’s spirit and takes

up practicing the works of the flesh, grave

consequences result, preventing him from

inheriting God’s Kingdom.—Gal. 5:19-21.

God’s spirit was an impelling force in Jesus’ life

COMMENTS

So MOST people (all non-jws) are led by the unholy spirit, all 7 billion, men, women, and children, even those who CLAIM to be Christians. Even having the Bible they cannot understand it without the WTS, right? Of course, no jws practice the works of the flesh, there are no pedophiles, wife beaters, children killers or wife killers, thieves, frauds, liars, etc. at the KH?!

14, 15. How can we succeed in resisting the spirit of

the world?

14 Jehovah has equipped us to resist the

spirit of the world. The apostle Paul said to

“go on acquiring power in the Lord and in

the mightiness of his strength . . . that you

may be able to resist in the wicked day.” (Eph.

6:10,13) By means of his spirit, Jehovah fortifies

us to withstand Satan’s efforts to mislead

us. (Rev. 12:9) The spirit of the world is

strong, and we cannot avoid it altogether.

However, we do not have to be corrupted by

it. Holy spirit is even stronger, and it will

help us!

COMMENTS

So you can trust your children with any adult, be assured that the handy jws won’t cheat you in business, that they won’t steal your spouse, etc.? And if they do they will be punished by the BOE? Not!

15 Of those who forsook Christianity in the

first century, the apostle Peter said: “Abandoning

the straight path, they have been

misled.” (2 Pet. 2:15) How very thankful we

can be that we have received, “not the spirit

of the world, but the spirit which is from

God”! (1 Cor. 2:12) With the help of its influence

and by taking full advantage of all of Jehovah’s

provisions to keep us on the right

path spiritually, we can succeed in resisting

the satanic spirit of this wicked world.

—Gal. 5:16.

COMMENTS

What about the brothers involved in porn, now there is a topic that pops up in every WT magazine?

Wicked world = every non-jw per the WTS and all are controlled by Satan. What about the Bethelite that was pedophile? How did Satan reach into Bethel, where was God’s spirit?

Holy Spirit Produces Good Fruitage

16. What fruitage can holy spirit produce in us?

16 A fourth reason for wanting God’s spirit

to work within us is that it produces healthy

fruitage in the lives of those who are led by

it. (Read Galatians 5:22, 23.) Who among

us would not want to be more loving, joyful,

and peaceable? Who of us would not like

to abound in long-suffering, kindness, and

goodness? Who of us would not benefit

from developing greater faith, mildness, and

self-control? God’s spirit produces in us fine

qualities that benefit us and those with

whom we live and serve. Cultivating this

fruitage is a constant work in progress, since

there is no limit to the amount of the spirit’s

fruitage that we need and are permitted to

produce.

COMMENTS

Healthy fruitage: hypocrites that cheat, lie, back stab, pretend to be good when they are not, lack mercy, kind only to their “friends,” label or mark others as bad association and then wonder why they feel unloved and don’t feel welcome at the KH, who haven’t made a return visit in years because they don’t want to be tied down to a bible study evenings or weekends…..the jws who haven’t talked to each other for years, sat near each other at the KH, refuse to be a householder for that jw, never invite them to their annual picnic; and not content with than gossip to any new jw to the congregation that they should also avoid that family?

17. How can we cultivate an aspect of the fruitage of

the spirit to a greater extent?

17 We are wise to take stock of ourselves to

be sure that our words and actions give evidence

that we are directed by holy spirit and

are producing its fruitage. (2 Cor. 13:5a; Gal.

5:25) If we see that we need to cultivate

some aspects of the fruitage of the spirit, we

can cooperate with holy spirit to a greater

degree in producing such qualities. We do

this by studying each aspect as it is revealed

through the pages of the Bible and discussed

in our Christian publications. Thus we can

discern how the spirit’s fruitage should be

manifested in our everyday life and then

work to cultivate it to a greater extent.* As we

observe the results of the operation of God’s

spirit in our own life as well as in the lives of

our fellow Christians, we clearly see why we

must be guided by it.

*For a discussion of each aspect, see the subject

“Fruitage of God’s Spirit” and the heading “List by Aspect”

in the Watch Tower Publications Indexes.

COMMENTS

Take stock of ourselves = don’t bother, the elders and other “mature” ones will take a more “accurate” stock of you.

How many jws can name the 9 fruits of the spirit without looking? How many elders can name the teams, coaches, and QBs of every NFL team though?

Fellow Christians = only jws; but if you ask a jw what religion they are they will almost always say = jw but not “I’m a Christian” someone might think they are a Baptist.

Are You Yielding to God’s Spirit?

18. How is Jesus a model for us in responding to

God’s spirit?

18 As God’s “master worker” in the creation

of the physical universe, Jesus knew all

about the earth’s magnetic field, which humans

use to navigate the earth. (Prov. 8:30;

John 1:3) However, there is no evidence in

the Bible that Jesus ever used that force to

guide his way when he was on earth. The Bible

does report that as a human, he experienced what

a powerful force God’s holy spirit

was in his life. He welcomed its influence,

and when it impelled him, he yielded and

acted accordingly. (Mark 1:12, 13; Luke 4:14)

Are you of that sort?

COMMENTS

Jesus knew about the magnetic field = but never said anything about it

NO Evidence in the Bible that he used that force = why bring it up then?

Remember that Jesus did not use the guidance of the religious leaders of his day but went straight to the bible and his father’s direction.

(Matthew 15:12-14) . . .Then the disciples came up and said to him: “Do you know that the Pharisees stumbled at hearing what you said?” In reply he said: “Every plant that my heavenly Father did not plant will be uprooted. LET them be. Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

19. What must we do for holy spirit to become the

guiding force in our life?

19 God’s active force still operates on willing

minds and hearts to move and guide

them. How can you let it work upon you to

lead you in the right direction? Pray constantly

to Jehovah that he send you his spirit

and help you yield to its influence. (Read

Ephesians 3:14-16.)Work in harmony with

your prayers by searching out the counsel

found in God’s written Word, the Bible—a

product of holy spirit. (2 Tim. 3:16, 17) Obey

the wise instructions it offers, and then respond

eagerly to the leading of holy spirit.

Act with faith in Jehovah’s ability to guide

you properly through life in this wicked

world.

COMMENTS

Willing minds and hearts = only jws, the rest are under Satan’s influence per the WTS

And what if the spirit tells you the WTS is leading you in the wrong direction? 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1915, 1925, 1975, 1984, 1994

WTS are not “products of holy spirit” but imperfect humans.

God’s spirit operates on minds and hearts to move and guide them

Did You Get the Main Points?

How can holy spirit affect our lives?

What are four reasons why we

should want to be guided by

God’s spirit?

How can we do our part to benefit

fully from the leading of holy

spirit?

CLOSING COMMENTS

Next week, FAITHFUL ONES OF OLD—GUIDED BY GOD’S SPIRIT. Once again the WTS is reduced to OT not NT examples. Were there no faithful Christians?

Love, Blondie

Sayswho

Thanks this gives me info to relate back to my family... slowly trying to awaken them.

Sw

BluesBrother

Par 4 footnote....

*In the preface of his Bible, Webster wrote: “Whenever
words are understood in a sense different from that
which they had when introduced, and different from
that of the original languages, they do not present to the
reader the Word of God.”

Like :

Parousia....Coming or Presence?

Aion.........end of age or end of "system of things"

Stauros........cross or stake?

I am sure that there must be others where the WTS has researched and come up with a translation that is peculiarly their own..Is it the accurate Word of God?

therevealer

i just love how they cite Noah Webster. How many dubs would go to the next step and use that to refute the trinity without realizing how silly that is. Love the info Blondie includes that so shows thier stupididity. I know that's a typo but ain't it cool.

wannabefree

I went today. The substance of this study was nothing more than a veneer. I hate what this religion does to people.

breakfast of champions

Thanks for the summary, BLONDIE

As a side note, all the hullabaloo about webster's bible and the spirit/ghost conundrum was not part of the French version (and I suspect German as well) as the language really doesn't differentiate. The closest you get to the English 'ghost' is 'fantôme', but there is no such thing as the holy " fantôme" in French bible translations.

Just thought it was funny how they made a big deal of this.

NOLAW

Sorry blondie but I didn't enjoy your comments for this week. Not your fault-Watchtower article didn't help. Quite boring.

I was expecting you to comment on this crap, LOL I was laughing when reading it:

However, there is no evidence in

the Bible that Jesus ever used that force to

guide his way when he was on earth.

And you did. You are smart girl, bravo!

NOLAW

ziddina

Oooooo, GOODY!!

Blondie's review!!

THANKS, Blondie!!

ziddina

And starting right off with paragraph 1...

"A compass is a simple device with only one moving part-a magnetic needle pointing toward the north. Because of an invisible force known as magnetism, the needle of the compass aligns itself with the magnetic field surrounding the earth between its poles. For centuries, explorers and travelers have used the compass to guide their way over land and sea. ..."

Ah, and they got lost and shipwrecked because the compass was far TOO simple to accurately pinpoint their locations...

Things improved when the sextant was invented, and they began "shooting the stars", with the help of relatively accurate timepieces, in order to locate themselves on the planet based on an invisible HUMAN system, called "longitudes & latitudes"...

talesin

“The heart is more treacherous

than anything else and is desperate.

Who can know it?”

This makes perfect WT sense. It totally and insidiously supports shunning and judgmental attitudes.

Yes, you may 'think' you love your mother/daughter/brother/sister/father, etc... but the heart is TREACHEROUS and DESPERATE.

Bah!

t

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