Phone call from the local JWs this evening... (page 3)

nugget

Under the circumstances you did a great job. Did they come away from their call feeling smug and self satisfied or slightly rattled and unsettled? In my career as a Witness I only came across half a dozen truly challenging peope and I remember every one. She may not remember all your conversation but it will stick with her for a long time.

I do not remeber every single bland conversation I had it is the unsettling ones that stick with us. At the back of her brain her authentic personality is screaming at her that something is very wrong. The prosac should help with that.

Phizzy

Well done Jim ! I think it is good when dealing with them not to come over too slick and knowledgeable. I know when I was an active Dub people that seemed ready and prepared to do combat with me made me uneasy.

I think the lady and her male friend are more likely to research something that you said, in an effort to prove you wrong, because you didn't come over as the know-all smart-ass.

However badly we seem to do to ourselves in these situations, and I always think afterwards "I wish I had said so and so", the point is that we know what they know, and then we know a hell of a lot more !

Telephone "Witnessing" has not really caught on here in the U.K as until recent times even local calls cost money, but now most contracts include free local calls to some degree it will probably become more common, especially with gas costing us $9 a gallon !

Jim_TX

Thanks yall for your kind comments and insight.

For those that thought they were calling from a donut shop... naw... the caller-ID had the 'JW' and a phone number, which pretty much ID-ed it as the KH that is right near me. (Thank go... goodness, I don't have to drive by that place very often.)

I was thinking about the phone call afterwards. It appears that the man who initiated the call was a new-bie. He didn't know his schtick very well. When he got stumped after the first 3 minutes of phone conversation, he had to turn it over to the lady.

The lady? ... well, she must be a 'convert'. A recent one, too, as she didn't appear to know her background very well. I believe that she was trying to tell me that their bible was based upon the King James Version. I didn't think that was the case.

There were other 'red flags' that led me to believe that she wasn't a 'born-in'.

Over the phone, it isn't easy to tell ages, but I'd say the fella was probably in his 30's or late 20's... maybe older, and the lady was probably in her... Oh... mid-30's, maybe older. Not young-uns, that's for sure.

Nugget - hahaha - yeah... I'd say this lady was probably pretty shaken (not stirred) after our phone conversation... but she'll probably shake it off, and label the person on the other end of the phone (me) as a 'deemun' or 'apostate'... that way she'll look like she's a hero to her peers.

As for the fella that was there with her... he may 'retire' from the 'phone witnessin' (after he changes his underwear).

And yeah... my comment about her counting her time was probably a dead-giveaway that I knew a bit more about JW's than the casual person would know.

Regards,

Jim TX

HappyDad

This is why I love caller ID. I don't answer if I don't want to talk and if it shows just a phone number without a name, I don't answer that either. I also have my voice mail deactivated so no one can leave a message. In the past 10 years I only got about 5 or 6 calls from JW's.

My cell phone is another thing. The only names that show up are those I have programed into it. If I get a call from a number I don't recognize, I don't answer.

HappyDad

TOTH

If they DARE call again ask them why their organization condemned the Catholic Church for their child molesting problem and then covered up their own molestaion problem.

I think you did great!

steve2

When he got stumped after the first 3 minutes of phone conversation, he had to turn it over to the lady

An observation I've made on this forum is the poor argumentation skills of even the more "experienced" witnesses. Compared to those ferocious old-timer JWs who were in my congregation when I grew up in New Zealand, the modern breed of witnesses are shockingly ill-informed and barricade themselves with a few stock answers then call it quits.

I have vivid memories of accompanying "members of the remnant", including my maternal grandmother, door-to-door. I was simply in awe of their ability to flip through scriptures on any topic and literally leave even argumentative householders speechless. As misguided as they were, these women - they easily outnumbered the men who claimed to be of the remnant - were single-minded powerful, compelling, devoted "witnesses" for their faith. They're long dead and buried.

The modern-breed are limp-minded drones who are never too far away from a McCafe or a Wendy's. They're not yet dead but they cmight as well be as they sleep-walk their way around the territory . Even lifting up the phone to make a call seems effortful.

OUTLAW

Funny stuff Jim_Tx..You did better than you think..

1 JW didn`t know what to do with you..

The other..You educated and caught in a lie..

No doubt they will count it as a Huge Victory..

...OUTLAW

cult classic

Jim -

That was excellent. Definitely gave her something to think about if she ever lets her guard down.

Terry

Probably an invalid or shut in trying to make herself useful to the corporation.

I'm surprised it wasn't a much shorter conversation. She must have been an older lady.

I can always think of more things AFTER the conversation is over than I can DURING.

These days I just keep one and only one question handy. "What was all the fuss about 1975 being the END of 6000 years of human existence?"

Never had a JW yet who knew anything at all about it except for some rumor that Apostates made the whole thing up!!

How about "If I ask you to send me a book that I promise I'll read----will you read a book that I send to you? Then, we can talk about it."

Crisis of Conscience should fit nicely on her coffee table.

Jim_TX

Good thoughts Terry. Thanks.

I'm no expert at accents, but the man sounded african-american, and the lady sounded hispanic.

I am thinking - during my phone call with this lady that she wasn't really interested in reading anything outside of her comfort zone - which, I am guessing to be her watchtowers and awakes... and whatever new publications that they get each year.

When I told her that she needed to research her own religion - using her own books, she sounded kind of... lost(?). She didn't sound too interested in doing any extra reading, either.

Her attitude was pretty much one of 'I've got my religion, and I'm happy being ignorant about any other religions or teachings that are out there.'

When I mentioned the history of the bible, she almost laughed derisively, and her words were like... '...oh, history.' Followed by, '...well, man always changes history to suit their needs.' or something to that effect, which I told her '...that's exactly what your religious leaders have done with the history of your religion and beliefs.' Of course, she didn't take too kindly to that comment.

I think in the end, she was just glad to say 'goodbye'. LOL

In thinking about a future encounter with these people, I am thinking that I will just tell them that I don't believe in their bible. If you don't believe in the bible, they don't have much that they can talk to you about. The more scriptures that they read, all I have to respond with is... "Well, that's all fine and good, but I don't believe in the bible, so those words are no different than a Chinese Fortune cookie or an Aesop's fable - with a 'moral of this story' thrown in at the end."

That should send their head spinning.

Regards,

Jim TX

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