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Seeker, the insignia of the pyramid on the American one dollar says it all.
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Here is one of the many names I will cite for your personal research, Myron Fagan.
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As I have said, I have acquaintances who are Freemasons.
What have you to offer besides skepticism?
Guest 77
< http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=Myron+Fagan&hc=0&hs=0
< http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=Myron+Fagan+Watchtower+Bible&hc=0&hs=0
Happy trails.
If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger
Guest77, not one comment about all that I said? That doesn't give me much confidence that you heard what I was saying.
1.Indeed it does if you think this has Masonic significance. This is an urban legend that there is a connection. The insignia elements predate any Masonic usage by a long time. The elements were suggested by a non-Mason on the design committee. There wasn't a suggestion that this design element had anything to do with Masons until the late 1870s.
Seeker, the insignia of the pyramid on the American one dollar says it all.
So if that's all it takes to convince you, if it "says it all," may I suggest you do some more research?
2.OK, I looked him up, found a transcript of one of his speeches, read it, and now I know another example of the precise thing I was complaining about in my previous message to you. Which you ignored.
Here is one of the many names I will cite for your personal research, Myron Fagan.
3.I don't know anyone who is a Freemason, as far as I am aware. So what?
As I have said, I have acquaintances who are Freemasons.
What have you to offer besides skepticism?The Carl Sagan Baloney Detection Kit. Read The Demon-Haunted World which, as far as I recall, does not talk about Masons at all, but does talk about how to detect baloney in an argument. If you learn the technique, you will understand why I am not impressed by conjecture.
Here is a forum for discussion on the topic:
< http://pub89.ezboard.com/ffreespeechusafrm1.showAddReplyScreenFromWeb?topicID=178.topic&index=5
And here are more "free speech" forums to choose from:
< http://pub89.ezboard.com/bfreespeechusa
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Dig this one:
< http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-worldconspiracies-illuminati.html
A portion as you scroll:
The Illuminati Protocols
This chapter refers to the early Illuminati protocols -- the master plan
for worldwide control first formulated over two centuries ago by leading
European bankers and businessmen. Essentially anyone reading the protocols
alone and out of context would view them as one of the most evil plots ever
devised. Yet, on reading those very same protocols in the context of
wide-scope accountability, one will realize the men responsible for those
protocols were among the most moral, clear-thinking, responsible people who
ever lived on this planet. Moreover, through Zon, today's Illuminati can
make everyone on Earth rich and happy.
The Illuminati's Business Plan
for
Depoliticizing Planet Earth
Since the late 1700s, essentially all public reporting and exposés of the
secretive Illuminati have been rabidly negative. Most such reports and
exposés emanate from paranoid conspiracy theories presented in populist,
nationalistic, or right-wing religious publications. All such reports and
exposés present the Illuminati and their protocols as diabolically evil.
Modern-day exposés especially rail at the Illuminati's tools used to
undermine public respect for political-agenda laws, irrational traditions,
and predatory institutions. The Illuminati work to undermine public support
of the parasitical-elite class...a destructive class that survives through
politically and religiously ruled governments.
The modern-day tools of the Illuminati include international organizations
such as the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, the
Bilderbergers, the Club of Rome, and the outdated Freemasons. In addition
to high-profile parasitical elites, those organizations comprise the
most-influential, low-profile businesspeople throughout the world. Still,
they are all simply tools masterfully maneuvered into advancing the
Illuminati's goal.
Many members of those organizations are sincere value producers; others are
power-seeking parasites. Yet, all effectively serve the Illuminati's
pretended goal of worldwide political and economic cooperation. Beneath
that goal, however, lies the Illuminati's real goal: break the institutions
that support this destructive anticivilization.
To understand the Illuminati, one must understand their poker-playing modus
operandi. The Illuminati perfected the shrewdest poker-playing stratagems
imaginable -- analogous to those stratagems revealed in Frank R. Wallace's
Advanced Concepts of Poker, first published in 1968. After 21 printings,
plus additional printings by Crown Publishing and Warner Books, Wallace
withdrew that book from print in 1986 in favor of the evolving Neo-Tech
literature.
Consider the following stratagem by the Illuminati: To most effectively
achieve their goal, they knew their real targets for termination must
remain concealed for as long as possible. Because of their world-wide
influences, the Illuminati also realized that, over time, information about
their work and goal would leak to the public, despite their influence over
the world news media. Thus, the Illuminati planted ruses in their protocols
that would invite hysterical criticism of them and their satellite
organizations. By promoting hysteria against themselves, criticisms would
lose credibility, preventing any effective effort to block or retard their
progress.
For example, the Illuminati realized their secret protocols would
eventually be publicly revealed. Thus, they drafted their Protocols to
conceal their real agenda. They made their Protocols to appear as a Jewish
or Zionist plot for placing all human beings under one-world tyrannical
rule. They even mistitled their document The Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion. Throughout that document, they shrewdly planted a Jewish
slur word for Gentiles to describe their targets -- the goyim.
That strategy has worked brilliantly for two centuries: All exposés or
attacks on the Illuminati turn into strident accusations about being evil
socialistic, communistic, Jewish, Zionist, satanic, or Luciferin plots for
world domination. Thus, all exposés and attacks have ultimately been
dismissed as paranoid anti-Semitic, Jew baiting, racist, or religious-right
paranoia -- exactly what the Illuminati intended.[56] ...Incidentally, from
their origin to modern day, many among the Illuminati are Jewish. But, they
are moral Jewish businessmen, not socialists or Zionists seeking world
domination. Indeed, the Illuminati are ingenious "poker players" who
orchestrate criticisms of them to advance their goal.
The Illuminati especially utilize their poker strategies in wielding
influence from their toolbox of international organizations. Those
organizations comprise the world's leading businesspeople, politicians,
journalists, publishers, bankers, industrialists, military leaders, and
other influential people used to advance a one-world agenda. But, that
agenda conceals the real goal fully known only to the Illuminati. That goal
is to undermine and eliminate the institutions supporting parasitical
elites.
What gave the Illuminati businessmen their overwhelming power and success
for the past two centuries? The answer lies in their ability to create
genuine values and jobs for society, combined with an unshakable moral
responsibility to bring growing prosperity to all conscious beings on this
planet. Their moral foundation, however, was based on knowledge limited to
this closed, irrational anticivilization. Thus, for them, the only possible
way to preserve and then flourish human consciousness on Earth was to
eliminate, by whatever means necessary, the institutions that support this
anticivilization and its parasitical-elite propagators.
The recent discovery of Zon with its eternal, open-ended Civilization of
the Universe void of politics and violence removes the moral base upon
which the Illuminati have solidly stood since their institution-breaking
role in the 1793 French Revolution. ...Today, Zon has replaced the
Illuminati's moral base with an omnipotent, eternally evolving moral
foundation that peacefully, continuously elevates the wealth and happiness
of all conscious beings throughout all existence and time. That omnipotent
moral base stands on fully integrated honesty, productive effort,
wide-scope accounting, objective law, and the Golden-Helmet dynamics as
detailed in the original Cassandra's-Secret manuscript.
The institution-breaking accomplishments of the Illuminati along with their
one-world organizations such as the Bilderbergers and the Trilateral
Commission provide an advanced position from which the Civilization of the
Universe can flower on this planet while peacefully vanishing the
anticivilization and its manipulators.
With the discovery of Zon, the key to limitless prosperity for conscious
beings is (1) to originate all conscious actions from the Civilization of
the Universe and (2) ignore everything in the anticivilization as nothing.
In that way, every harmful aspect of the anticivilization is dismissed and
vanished. Also, in that way, the two-century-old Illuminati dynamics of
using deceit and force to undermine those elements supporting the
anticivilization are replaced by the honest, peaceful Zon dynamics. Those
new dynamics will quietly vanish the entire anticivilization along with its
harmful institutions and humanoids.
The Most Moral Men on Earth
Without the concepts of advanced poker strategy combined with Neo-Tech,
anyone who reads the Illuminati protocols[57] will come to the same
conclusion: Those protocols are the epitome of evil. But on understanding
advanced poker concepts along with Neo-Tech and Cassandra's Secret, one
comes to the exact opposite conclusion: The Illuminati protocols reflect
the most responsible and moral forces on Earth -- forces designed to bring
wealth and happiness to our world by breaking the institutions that support
this parasitically drained, death-oriented anticivilization.
As identified in the Neo-Tech Discovery, the original Illuminati also
realized that honest business dynamics are what sustain and advance all
conscious life. Thus, those business dynamics are the only source of
genuine, life-enhancing power among conscious beings. Indeed, only
competitive value-and-job producers hold real power -- the ultimate power
to control not only all current events but all future events on planet
Earth.
Until the original 18th-century Illuminati, no value-and-job producer
understood the draining hoaxes and illusions of the parasitical elites.
From Plato's time, a ruling leech class has built and propagated an
anticivilization with the single purpose of sustaining their own harmful
livelihoods by draining the productive class.
The Illuminati discovered that they, not kings, popes, tyrants, or other
parasitical elites hold the power to control and direct society. On that
realization, those original Illuminati, most of whom were powerful
businessmen and bankers, moved with complete confidence to eliminate the
parasitical elites by relentlessly pitting those leeches and their
institutions against each other. That dynamic caused the world populations
to increasingly lose confidence in politics, nationalistic governments,
mystical religions, and their parasitical leaders.
As depicted by the movie Schindler's List, the factual story of German
businessman Oskar Schindler in the 1940s illustrates how even at the
evilest depths of this anticivilization, the value-and-job producer is the
only person with genuine power and love...even midst the evilest humanoids
who live by guns and mass murder. Only businessman Schindler, for example,
could walk through the bloody mud of the Holocaust without soiling his
soul, his compassion, his respect for human life. Only job-producing
Schindler had the power, moral character, and strength to reach into the
depths of this anticivilization to save conscious beings from the
destruction and death wrought by its humanoid propagators.
Extrapolate businessman Schindler into the advanced technologies among the
Civilization of the universe. One will then recognize that honest
businesspeople with their limitless valuation of conscious beings are the
real saviors of everyone in existence. Only such value-and-job producers
have the power, responsibility, and love to never let perish the supreme
value throughout the universe --conscious life -- including conscious human
beings on planet Earth. ...The competitive, value-and-job producing
businessperson eternally preserves and advances all conscious life.
The Illuminati originally comprised the few most powerful, efficacious
businessmen in Europe. The original Illuminati rejected all parasites
holding false or life-draining power. Indeed, none of the Illuminati were
kings, tyrants, politicians, lawyers, religionists, entertainers, writers,
or orators. Instead, they were quiet businessmen and bankers -- they were
the world's most potent creators of life-sustaining values and jobs.
The Illuminati's relentless work has always been directed toward saving the
future generations of conscious beings from destruction by the
institutionalized irrationality woven throughout this anticivilization. The
Illuminati's goal has always been to free conscious beings from the tribal
mentalities that make possible parasitical governments, insane socialism,
the welfare state, and mystical religions.
The Illuminati sought a world in which its citizens valued their fellow
citizens not by social status, wealth, nationality, race, or religion, but
by what each did to competitively benefit others and society.
For 250 years, playing the most ingenious poker game in history, the
Illuminati have brought the entire world close to their goal of ending 3000
years of unnecessary suffering and death inflicted on all populations of
Earth -- inflicted by parasitical humanoids through their criminal
anticivilization institutions. ...Finally, today, the newly arrived Zon
dynamics will not only peacefully achieve but far surpass the noble goal of
the Illuminati.
Pages 311-317 of Part III publicly identify for the first time the real
meaning beneath the Illuminati protocols[58], their master plan, their
one-world organizations...and the resulting future for all of us on planet
Earth through Zon.
The Neo-Tech Trojan Horse
Over the years, the
Neo-Tech/Illuminati dynamic has
evolved into today's Zonpower. This
200-year-old dynamic is increasingly
undermining false, harmful
authorities throughout governments
and religions worldwide. The
Neo-Tech/Illuminati dynamic has been
the hidden force beneath the
collapse of communism in Eastern
Europe, the collapse of the
conservative party in Canada, and
America's sea-change first reflected
in its 1994 elections.
The seventh and final
cyberspace stage of
Neo-Tech/Zonpower -- the public
phase -- will activate in late 1996
with the Internet distribution of
the Zonpower Protocols...the
Trojan-Horse penetration of Neo-Tech
into the heart of the Establishment
in America and worldwide.
Chapter 19 follows.....
sKally
If man was supposedly created in gods image, then.....holy krap...we're all doomed.-sKallyWagger
Hey skally,thats quite a post.I`ll keep an eye out for#19...OUTLAW
Seeker, what 'credits' do you have that compares with Fagan's?
Guest 77
No one seems to have mentioned the movie 'From Hell'.
Have you seen it?
If not, watch it.
I don't want to spoil it too much, but it's very related to the topic under discussion here.
cellomould
"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ
Seeker, you have only touched the iceberg of Myron Fagan. He is responsible for exposing communism in Hollywood. He passed on this information to a few Congressmen and it made big headlines in the the late forties early fifties. Is all this CONJECTURE? Was sentencing 10 communists to prison for ten months conjecture/assumptions? The internet does not supply you the information you need to know.
If you need more information I would glady supply you. As I said, Fagan is only one of the other names that are in my deck of cards.
Guest 77
