Defenders of Pastor Russell speak out on FREE MINDS' debunk

by Terry 20 Replies latest jw friends

  • dropoffyourkeylee
    dropoffyourkeylee

    This statement:

    "Actually, Russell by-passed all of man’s theology to study the true foundation of the Christian religion, that is, that which is revealed in the Bible itself"

    is simply not true, and never was. Russell was a product of his times and inherited the theology he was exposed to, most notably the Adventist groups that grew out of the Millerites of the 1840's. Out of curiosity a number of years ago I purchased some books from one of the Second Adventist groups, and was a bit surprised to read nearly identical statements as the above concerning William Miller. He supposedly used just the Bible and the concordance to determine what the Bible taught on every subject, without respect to previously conceived doctrine.

    Russell must have been very charismatic in person, but I think his success resulted from his writing skill, which was quite good. For instance, the Divine Plan was easy to read and made sense to the readers of the time period. Compare the Divine Plan to, say, the Three Worlds <snore>, which was written by Barbour and there is no comparison.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Style and personality are powerful tools of Branding.

    Russell became a brand.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    I thought it was a good reply Terry, I liked the analogy you used of a self taught Doctor, even a self taught Doctor can make people believe

    he has the cure to heal in peoples eyes, of course the forgoing reality might result in something quite different though.

    Russell was a shining example how much bullshit can be taught within the field of religious beliefs, in printed form or otherwise.

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    That statement highlighted by DOYKLee above, that infers Russell studied the Bible alone and came to his conclusions stood out to me as total nonsense when I read it, I cannot think of a single thing that Russell came up with that was original, can you ?

    I think he was a consummate plagiarist and self publicist, lacking in education in his chosen field of Theology, but able to convince the public, as was P.T Barnum who, (probably apocyphally) said "There's a sucker born every minute".

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    I think he was a consummate plagiarist and self publicist, lacking in education in his chosen field of Theology.

    If Russell didn't accumulate a semblance of wealth inside the WTS. publishing corporation, would Rutherford wrestled it up

    for himself, such as he did ....... probably not. $$$

    Rutherford was aware of the money that Russell dumped into the WTS. since he used Rutherford as a lawyer for most of the WTS's

    business dealings. Just thought I would throw that in. Money and God umm... ummm Good

  • reslight2
    reslight2

    I will be forever thankful to God and Jesus that Russell did indeed study the scriptures, and for his works as a result, which have answered from the Bible some of the major questions of my life. Praise Yah!

    I am working on a response to Terry's comments, but it may be several days before I post that response.

    Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus! -- Ephesians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:3.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    and for his works as a result

    Your in praise of commercialized false prophets in the style of Russell and Rutherford ?

    American charlatans. Really

    Both God and Jesus had words for false prophets and how the devouted faithful ones should treat these people,

    perhaps they should have been more specific and said false prophets who sold books and literature.

  • moshe
    moshe

    Didn't Russell's wife pen quite a bit of the early Russelite material? They should be giving her credit, too.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Chuck Russell was like a magpie: Steal a little from here, a little from there and - why not? - from everywhere. He was a religious man peculair to his age at the arse end of Victorianism: into promulgating the grand (i.e., Divine) plan of the world, given to obscure drawings and diagrams. Oh, he was also fiercely into numerology: Numbers were the lifeblood of his theories about the Divine PlanHe was independently wealthy so when setting up the Watchtower Society did not then have to worry where his next cent was coming from. He was for a self-appointed conduit of God's truth appropriately narcissistic - but in a pompously 'humble' kind of way. He spoke and wrote in an overtly flowery way - a leaning his devout followers have absorbed. He was a charlatan and, some say, a womaniser. Rather than detract from his reputation, his foibles gave him bulk and humanity.

    The essence of the man who was Russell has long since been forgotten - if known in the first place - by the JWs. However, among the smaller splinter groups, men who should know better but who trade in wishful thinking and scriptural intrigue esteem him more than any intelligent being ever would. The long white beard, grandfatherly looks and unshakable confidence in his own self-appointed role have kept his memory alive longer than would have ever been warranted. He was the soft, cushiony front end of the Watchtower Society to be followed by the harshly pragmatic pin-cushion, Rutherford, a supposedly 'real' man who had need for neither softness nor intrugue but who specialized in the harsh light of day. The legacy of the man some called "Judge Rutherford" has been seared into the organization to this day - albeit with more palatable light so as not to offend modern sensibilities. With both Russell and Rutherford long dead, the masses tired of waiting for the end can safely sleep with the snoring cancelling out decades of fervent, hot-headed, you-better-act now or you'll die at Armageddon threats.

    Sleep deeply and permantently Chuck and Judge, you purveyors of stupidity. Become the fitting models for the rank and file who unerringly sleep-walk their way towards an Armagedon that never quite arrives.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Didn't Russell's wife pen quite a bit of the early Russelite material? They should be giving her credit, too.

    Maria Russell came up with the Faithful and Discreet slave doctrinal "understanding" and the Society doesn't flinch over that!

    Of all the things you'd think they'd want to hide...

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