Update on the Henrietta Riley trust

by Aussie Oz 30 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    I have found (thanks to an older thread) and downloaded pdfs of the henriette Riley trust fund form 990s filed with the IRS

    http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/38-6043103/henrietta-m-riley-trust-33b006006-fbo.aspx#mission

    Interesting investments (many household names)

    For 2009: Exxon Mobil; Newscorp; Microsoft; Nike; Coca cola; McDonalds; Proctor and gamble; Johnson and Johnson; IBM; AT&T; Pfizer; Target Corp; Walmart: BHP

    For 2010; Dreamworks animation; Ebay; JC Penny; 3M; Colgate Palmolive; Philip Morris intl inc; Catapillar

    For 2011; Apple; Borgwarner; Celgene; Estee Lauder; Federal home loans; Nationsbank corp

    While never doubting what others have posted, there is nothing quite like seeing it from the source. I had thought that they abandoned Phillip Morris a few years ago...was that correct? Anyway, as late as 2010 they were share holders via the trust.

    I did note that an older thread had armor holdings (military related) listed but these years do not show them, what they list is amer holdings, nothing to do with the military.

    This may be old news to some but i thought worth keeping updated...

    Oz

  • Alfred
    Alfred

    oz

    thanks for the follow up... they had to know Phillip Morris was in that trust... they probably still hold Phillip Morris stock under one of their shell companies that they use to move money around... but I guess we'll never know now

  • Momma-Tossed-Me
    Momma-Tossed-Me

    it would be a great thing if someone could map these shell companies and tie them back to the wbts.

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    I didn't have an issue with the Trust before, and after recently completing Wills and Trusts, I have even less of an issue with it.

    The WTBTS is the named beneficiary of a trust. The trustee (probably a bank) has sole discretion as to how to invest, subject to any limitations that the settlor (the decedent, Ms. Riley) placed on trustee.

    With that said, the argument can be made that the WTBTS should reject ALL the money because it is tainted by the Phillip Morris stock.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    True Justina

    But the WT knows what the trust invests in and accepts the money none the less.

    They should follow their own advice to the rank and file:

    The religious organization that truly is serving God, in harmony with the example set by Jesus Christ, concentrates on preaching and teaching the liberating truths of his Word and does not become involved in commercial businesses. Following the Bible’s instructions, it does not involve itself in “the commercial businesses of life.”—2 Tim. 2:4. Awake of Feb 2 1970

    One guide to the stock market illustrates it this way: “Stocks are pieces of the corporate pie. When you buy stocks, or shares, you own a slice of the company....

    Such an investment differs from gambling because the stockholder has purchased part of a company....

    By considering the background of a company, an investor can also ensure that his money will not be used to support an unethical enterprise.—See Awake!, February 8, 1962, pages 21-3. (Awake! Oct 8 2000; Is it wise to invest in the stock market?)

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    With that said, the argument can be made that the WTBTS should reject ALL the money because it is tainted by the Phillip Morris stock.

    But the WT knows what the trust invests in and accepts the money none the less.

    As you can see from our similar posts (copied above), I agree with your conclusion but not your analysis.

    The JW literature you quote deals with BUYING stocks. It would apply if the WTBTS took its money and bought Phillip Morris (PM) stock. It would be choosing to exchange money for part ownership in PM, and all the above would apply. In that case, WTBTS money would be flowing to PM.

    In the case of the trust, NO WTBTS money flows to PM. This money is a gift from Ms. Riley. In her will, she could have simply said: sell the stocks; give the money to the WTBTS. Either way it's the same. The ethical question is whether they should accept the gift.

    The distinction is important because it destroys your point. The WTBTS didn't "buy stocks" so they don't "own a slice of the company." Since they don't own a slice of they company, their money isn't being used to "support an unethical enterprise."

    The only way this would change is if the WTBTS is part of a trustee board that directs the investments. Since this trust was created in the 70s, I doubt it.

    Unfortunately, I have seen others try the make your argument on other discussion boards, and JW apologists will post accurate trust information, which then discredits them and makes them look like 'lying apostates.' I don't want to see that happen to you, or anyone else.

  • Aussie Oz
    Aussie Oz

    I understand your point.

    But the fact remains that their name is on the paperwork along with Phillip Morris. They hide behind technicalities. Show that page to a JW and they will be in shock because they know it is not right. Then they go and look for the plausable deniability in it all, so they can sleep cozy at night.

    If a JW was in that very situation you can bet the WT would have something to say.

    By their own standards they should not accept the money, the fact they they do says DIRTY by association as far as i am concerned. And for me that is enough.

    The technicalities are irrelevant and the apologists are as bad as the WT, looking at it through 'technicality glasses'.

    Oz

  • Mary
    Mary
    Justita said: The WTBTS is the named beneficiary of a trust. The trustee (probably a bank) has sole discretion as to how to invest, subject to any limitations that the settlor (the decedent, Ms. Riley) placed on trustee. With that said, the argument can be made that the WTBTS should reject ALL the money because it is tainted by the Phillip Morris stock.

    Agreed. But I believe these documents go a long way is showing the hypocrisy of the Organization, given their hard stand on tobacco products over the last 40 years. They have lawyers and accountants by the score who would have scrutinized the trust and would have been all too aware that some of the monies had been invested in Philip Morris. It would be their moral obligation to inform the investors that they do not support the use of tobacco and did not want the trust to include any shares in companies in the tobacco industry. The company managing the trust would have to respect those wishes. As well, Philip Morris pays quarterly dividends so the Watchtower Society would receive them and their accountants would be all too aware of what the money was being invested in.

    While the objection could be made that it is not actually the Watchtower Society itself making the investment, but just receiving the cash, is this a valid defense? Especially in light of their own words on investing in the stock market:

    "...How a Christian puts his money to work is for him to decide personally, just as how he works for a living is for him to decide. There is nothing contrary to Scriptural principles for him to let his money help him earn a livelihood. If he invests in stocks, no one should criticize him. He should, of course, be discreet about what stocks or bonds he buys. When he knows that a corporation is devoted entirely to manufacturing merchandise that is used for a morally wrong purpose, it would be improper for him to violate his conscience by investing money in the stock of that company.---Awake!, February 8, 1962, p. 23

    Many investors consult with financial planners before purchasing stock. By considering the background of a company, an investor can also ensure that his money will not be used to support an unethical enterprise."----Awake! October 8, 2000, p. 27

    The Watchtower has long regarded smoking as an unchristian activity and a disfellowshipping offence. A Witness is not permitted to be employed in the tobacco industry and after '73, could not sell tobacco products in their stores. There can be no doubt that if an individual Witness invested in the cigarette industry, the Watchtower would consider this an ‘unchristian' investment and that individual would most likely be disfellowshipped from the congregation.

    Yet at the same time, a trust which exists for the primary reason of generating income for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, invests in a cigarette company! While the amount of the investment is small, it is not the amount that is the issue, but the principle: the Organization has knowingly benefited from an investment made in the tobacco industry.

    The October 22, 1981 Awake! quotes Medical World News editor Reginald Rhein, Jr., as saying:

    "Smoking is a clear, present, and proven danger that kills 320,000 Americans every year through heart disease, cancer, and emphysema." He noted, however, that both the federal government and the American Medical Association loudly proclaim the dangers of smoking while at the same time "quietly supporting the production of cigarettes." Rhein said that at its annual meeting in Chicago, AMA delegates did come out "against federal subsidies for tobacco growers," but then they "turned around and refused to order the Board of Trustees to divest the association's pension fund of $1.4 million in tobacco-company stock." The editor then asked: "Who is going to take the association-or even individual doctors-seriously now?" [emphasis added]

    Indeed the same question could be asked about the Watchtower Society.

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    It would be their moral obligation to inform the investors that they do not support the use of tobacco and did not want the trust to include any shares in companies in the tobacco industry. The company managing the trust would have to respect those wishes

    100% incorrect. The investors legal duty is to manage the TRUST to make the most money for the beneficiaries under the the Prudent Investor Standard, and they are not required to use social investment strategies OR "respect the wishes" of the beneficiaries. As I have repeatedly written, the beneficiaries have absolutely no say. The bank would really laugh at such a request...

    Imagine being at an attorney's office for the reading of a will in which you are a beneficiary. The attorney reads the will directing that Mary be given a blue dress. Mary voices that she is morally opposed to blue dresses and request that the attorney change the will to give her a green dress. The attorney would simply laugh; your choices are take the blue dress or leave it. Trusts are just testamentary gifts given over time. They differ in that actual title/ownership is not transferred. You could at least sell the blue dress for a green. Trusts differ in the title/ownership is not transferred; the beneficiaries can't sell what they don't own. LOL! That's why rich people use them; they can pass on money to their family members and know that those family members can't screw up the investments because they have no control/ownership.

    As well, Philip Morris pays quarterly dividends so the Watchtower Society would receive them and their accountants would be all too aware of what the money was being invested in.

    Wrong again. PM pays dividends to the owner of the stock, which is the trust, not the WTBTS. The whole PURPOSE of a trust is to give a gift without transferring title (ownership and control) to the beneficiary (WTBTS). Therefore, all the information Watchtower quotes you (and others) copied and pasted are completely irrelevant.

    I understand that people on this DB dislike the WTBTS, as do I. But that doesn't change the legal facts of this situation.

    The only ethical issue here is whether the WTBTS should accept tainted gifts and where to draw that line. The only way this would change is if a WTBTS rep. served on the trust board (and thereby had the ability to manage the trust investments), which I doubt since this trust was created in the 70s.

    If Ms. Riley died and directed the PM stocks be sold and the cash given to the WTBTS, would it be wrong for them to accept the money? If you say yes, then taking the regularly scheduled trust gift payments would be wrong. If you say no, then taking the regularly scheduled trust gift payments is not wrong.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I recall that Trusts & Estates ranked with property for being complicated. It isn't important to me who the technical owner is. Legal fictions are nice for law school classes. If any Witness, can be disfellowshipped for using tobacco products b/c they are so immoral, the WT shoould reject the income flow. The appearance of impropriety is as important as the impropiety itself. Accepting the income flow is hypocritical. One rule for the WT members and another for the WT itself.

    I recall Al Gore's acceptance speech when he received the Democratic nomination. He spoke of the ravages of tobacco. His sister could not stop smoking and died at a young age. It was not pretty. He was so affecting. I cried at home. A few months later, I discovered through the New York Times that contrary to what Gore said, he received income from the tobacco field for a very long time after her death. It was legal for him to receive the income.

    Moral standards exist outside the law. This is a moral question more than a legal one. I would not think it evil to receive trust income. Trusts are legal fictions anyway. I learned they started in the Middle Ages when fathers could not give daughters any money. A legal fiction was created so that when daughters married, they have more rights than under dower and curtsy provisions. I thought trusts were good things when I read about the daughters being protected. Fathers cared about daughters even in those times. When you severely punish adherents for using tobacco, you open yourself up to valid criticism. Aside from a legal viewpoint, money is money. The WT profits from tobacco. Ownership is beside the point, IMO.

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