I will dig up an old thread for you.
What date in 1914 did Satan get chucked out?
by usualusername 28 Replies latest jw friends
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blondie
I believe the Great War started on August 2, 1914 and the WTS teaches that Satan was cast out on October 2, 1914, the end of the Gentile Times per the WTS. Also, the WTS teaches that the war with Satan extended past 1914 perhaps until 1918.
*** w66 10/15 pp. 621-622 par. 33 What Has God’s Kingdom Been Doing Since 1914? ***Inasmuch as World War I was already raging on earth when God’s Messianic kingdom was born about October 1, 1914, the war in heaven to oust Satan and his demons must have run for some time along with the international conflict here on earth.
*** w68 7/1 p. 413 Letting All Men See Jehovah’s Victory Processions ***In modern times Jehovah won a great victory by means of the Greater David, Jesus Christ, when he and his angels cast Satan and his angels out of heaven between 1914 and 1918. (Rev. 12:1-12)
*** w67 8/15 pp. 506-507 Getting a Permanent Hold on Life ***Ezekiel’s prophecy describes Satan in his debased realm now since being hurled out of heaven and down to the earth about the World War I year of 1918.
*** w66 4/15 p. 239 par. 46 What Binding Satan the Devil Will Mean for Mankind ***Evidently the war that “broke out in heaven” to oust Satan and his demons therefrom ran simultaneously, for at least part of the time, with World War I here on earth during 1914-1918.
*** w66 9/15 p. 553 par. 2 Jehovah’s Witnesses Endure for His Sovereign Godship ***The Kingdom’s establishment in 1914 immediately brought war between its enthroned King, Christ Jesus, called Michael, and the opposer Satan with his wicked angels. This resulted in Satan’s complete defeat by 1918, when he and his wicked forces were ejected from the heavenly realm to be cast downward into the vicinity of the earth.
*** w65 1/15 p. 64 Questions From Readers ***However, the second application of Isaiah 14:12-14 is to Satan the Devil as the king of modern Babylon the Great, that world empire of false religion. Satan the Devil planned to exalt his throne above even the throne being given to God’s Son, Jesus Christ, in 1914. But in the conflict fought in the heavens from 1914 to 1918 the enthroned King Jesus Christ cast Satan out of the heavens down to the vicinity of the earth, debasing him.
***Worldwide Security book ws chap. 3 p. 27 par. 15 The Rule of the “Prince of Peace” Amid Enemies ***
In this warfare, unseen to human eyes, the royally empowered “Son of David” fought victoriously and ejected Satan the Devil and his demon hordes from the heavens and confined them to the vicinity of our earthly globe. This debasement of the satanic forces was evidently fully accomplished by 1918, the year when World War I came to an end.
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Kojack57
Thetrueone: Thanks for that info. The scriptures are obvious that he would have to be seen by human eyes. Human events have always been used by jdubs to prove Satans ousting like World War 1, World War2. Conflicts have always been a part of our history. It just seems so convenient for the G.B. to use what they want to prove when Satan was ousted surrounding the false date of 1914-1918
Afganistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korean war can also be said to be when Satan was ousted. Their guess and it's a guess is as good as ours.
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mP
Did the WTS take into account that 14 days or was it 10 were skipped when we switched to the Gregorian calendar ?
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St George of England
Did the WTS take into account that 14 days or was it 10 were skipped when we switched to the Gregorian calendar ?
11 days - Wed 2 Sept 1752 was followed by Thurs 14 Sept 1752.
New Years day was also moved to 1 Jan from 25 March.
Considering they calculated 606 BCE + 2520 years gave 1914 I doubt it. It was only in 1943 someone pointed out the error in their arithmetic and so they changed 606 to 607.
George
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mP
@StG
How is it that Jehovah didnt not explain year zero not existing ? Why did they trust the catholic guy who figured out the AD/BC system ?
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blondie
JWs and the 1260 DAYS
(Investigator 107, 2006 March)
The 1260 days are a period mentioned in The Bible, in Daniel 7:25; 12:7 and Revelation 11:1-3.
Jehovah's Witness (JW) leaders have often written about and interpreted these 1260 days but are unable to make up their minds and keep changing their interpretation.
Here are the interpretations as found in official JW or Watchtower Society (WTS) publications:
In 1881. Counted as 1260 years from 538 to 1798, which Charles T Russell believed was the "long reign of the Papacy". (Watch Tower Reprints 1881 December p307)
In 1889. Brought forward one year and counted as 1260 years from 539 to 1799. (Watch Tower Reprints 1889 January-February p1093; Studies III, 58, 63-64)
In 1930. Counted as 1260 literal days starting November 7, 1914, to the arrest warrant of Joseph Rutherford and other WTS Directors on May 7, 1918. (Light I 1930, p199; Your Will Be Done On Earth 1958 pp 181, 331)
In 1969. Changed to run from October 4/5 1914 to the Memorial on March 26/27 1918. (Then Is Finished The Mystery of God 1969 pp 261-263)
In 1977. Changed again to run from December 28 1914 to June 21 1918 – i.e. from when the Watchtower Cult expected persecution to when Rutherford and other WTS directors were imprisoned. (Our Incoming World Government – God’s Kingdom 1977 pp 127-133)
In 1988. Changed back to the 1969 interpretation or similar to it – the reference says "starting from the outbreak of the first world war in the latter part of 1914 and continuing to the early part of 1918." (Revelation – Its Grand Climax Near At Hand! 1988 p164)
In 1993. Changed back to the 1977 interpretation i.e. the 1260 days runs from December 1914 to June 21 1918. (The Watchtower 1993 November 1 pp 9-10; Pay Attention To Daniel’s Prophecy 1999 pp 142-143)
The most drastic change – from 1260 years to 1260 days – appeared in the book Light Volume 1 (1930) authored by the then WTS president Joseph F Rutherford:
Forty-two months of thirty days each, or 1260 days, which is equivalent to three and one-half years solar time, beginning the first week in November 1914, would end on the 7 th day of May, 1918. Now note that the Revelation account says: "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast…shall overcome them, and kill them." (Rev. 11:7) Exactly forty-two months after the publication of the aforementioned "sackcloth" article in The Watch Tower [7 November 1914], to wit, on the 7 th day of May, 1918, all the officers of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and who were then publishers of The Watch Tower, were "overcome", in this, that they were arrested under warrant charging a violation of the espionage law and trading with the enemy, and their work stopped. They were "overcome" by stopping the work that day, and on the 20 th day of June thereafter these same officers of the Society were sentenced to eighty years’ imprisonment and, symbolically speaking, the work of the Society was killed. (Light Volume 2, 1930 p199)
The 1260 days illustrate what has occurred in all JW doctrines and in their explanations of thousands of Bible verses. In total the revisions to what JWs call "Bible truth", "accurate knowledge", "true Christianity", "bright light" and "God’s word" come to many thousands.
Bible interpreters more wishy-washy than JW leaders would be hard to find.
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Dutch-scientist
But how fast can satan travel from heaven to earth?
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Phizzy
I heard he was travelling by British Rail so Christ knows when he will turn up.