Supreme Court Ruling Allows Strip-Searches For Any Arrest

by Bangalore 61 Replies latest jw friends

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  Terry

  If we want to be forensic about this we must admit of these facts:

  1.Laws are neither good nor bad.

  2.Those who protest existing laws are usually focused on their own situation and not a "worse case" scenario situation.

  3.There is always a crossover between annoyance and safety.

  4.Everything comes down to when and how a law is actually enforced; the particular specific circumstance tests all.

  I personally know a Federal Agent who works at the Airport x-raying and frisking passengers. She says they are given no latitude

  whatever of a discretionary nature (by policy) and yet her fellow agents are either too lax or excessively zealous anyway.

  What WOULD a "perfect" law, rule or enforcement consist of anyway?
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  Diest

  James your logic makes no sense. The SCOTUS has come down in the middle on more than one issue. The 4th protects us from unreasonable search and seizure. To me it is reasonable to search my body cavity if I commit a violent crime, or I am selling drugs. I dont think it is reasonable in minor cases.

  People who argue the slippery slope rarely look at how slippery the slope is. I dont think the ACLU would argue that a violent offender can't be searched. There is little to no chance that anyone would argue that strip searching a drug dealer is unreasonable search.
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  Band on the Run

  I read one of the justices said this ruling does not mean you have to strip searches. Only that the const'n does not forbid them. Racial history underlies the problem. Statistical evidence shows that certain races will be stopped more frequently than other groups. When I was a little kid, the cops were always right. I rely on them. Law and order is important to me. If they get out of control, it is scary.
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  hemp lover

  Diest
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  designs

  If you were LDS would you be proud or embarrassed to show off your undies in the airport.
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  Justitia Themis

  New Chapter, Hemp Lover - do you realize that you are doing more complaining about the strip searches than for the actual wrongful arrest of the guy in question and keeping him behind bars for six days?

  It does look like law enforcement made a mistake with this guy - but that is not an excuse to overturn basic jail security.

  I think this may be an example of where Woods and I agree. The problem was with the arresting officer, but he is likely "shielded" from suit. I haven't researched this specifically, but for the life of me, I can't understand why he wasn't released for six days. Does anyone know how long it took to get him before a magistrate? The magistrate would have the power to release him. Back to this issue...I agree with the justices. Consider this hypothetical: a person is arrested for a minor offense, but the booking officers identify him as a "known" violent gang member and he is covered in gang tattoos. Do we really want to make it illegal/unconstitutional for those booking agents to perform a cavity search? I think not. I think we have a duty to protect the rest of the "general population."
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  james_woods

  I think this may be an example of where Woods and I agree.

  My god - this may indeed be the beginning of the second age of Aquarius. Of course, Justicia is right about this matter.

  If you were LDS would you be proud or embarrassed to show off your undies in the airport.

  You too would be proud to if you were LSD.

  I read one of the justices said this ruling does not mean you have to strip searches. Only that the const'n does not forbid them. Racial history underlies the problem. Statistical evidence shows that certain races will be stopped more frequently than other groups. When I was a little kid, the cops were always right. I rely on them. Law and order is important to me. If they get out of control, it is scary.

  The third age of Aquarius has arrived - BOTR is also right, and agrees with me. Note that the racial profiling is a totally different issue from this latest SC ruling.
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  james_woods

  BTW, Terry and I agree too - but that is not a re-alignment of the Universe in the same way as Justicia and BOTR agreeing with me.
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  botchtowersociety

  WTF happened to the 4th?

  The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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  botchtowersociety

  Indeed. Never been to Florida. Sounds like a crazy place.

  You are ignorant. Florida is a great place.