by jambon1 26 Replies latest jw friends
Having been out of the loop for a while on here, it dawned on me that the figure of memorial partakers has risen substantially from when I was a JW.
I think I bowed out at around 8500 in 2006.
Can anyone briefly explain what the main reasons for this increase are and if it is ever discussed among JW's because if I remember correctly, the figure should be going down, not up.
Thanks.
J
They blame it on the Catholics. ;D
A WT magazine was printed on this subject last summer. They blame the increase mainly on mentally unbalanced ones. Then they go on to say that they don't know nor do they have any way of knowing how many true anointed there really are on the earth. They close be saying that it isn't important that they know either.
Funny.....while the number was falling.....it was "proof" of how close the end was. Now that the number is sky-rocketing upward....the number no longer matters.
My guess is that soon they will stop printing the number alltogether. The higher it goes, the more of a black eye it is
What is the current fugure? Around 13k?
They blame the increase mainly on mentally unbalanced ones.
So the increase in the numbers that they report in general must be due to mental unbalance......
Can anyone briefly explain what the main reasons for this increase are and if it is ever discussed among JW's because if I remember correctly, the figure should be going down, not up.
There was 'new light' in 2007. See THIS THREAD.
Scan of the article HERE and HERE. (I had to get the second one elsewhere. One of the scans on the thread has disappeared.)
In 2011, partakers were roughly 11,800.
Just as a side thought, in case you are interested: The whole idea of an 'anointed remnant' is pure bologna. The idea is built on the Society's explanation of Rev 12:17 were 'the dragon goes off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed.' It is the Society, not the Bible, that says only the 144,000 are of this seed (besides Jesus). And the word "remnant" in English has a different connotation than the Greek word translated "remaining" in Rev 12:17. Bare with me and I'll try to explain (as briefly as possible):
Galatians 4:21 - 5:6 shows that Christians are part of the seed of the woman (and in context, part of the new covenant, -- and by extension partakers of the bread and wine) by means of their faith in Christ, not by means of anointing. (Cmp John 6:53, 54) And in that context, if the seed of the woman was only going to number 144,000 max, then the "children" (or "seed") could never outnumber those of the old law covenant. (Gal 4:27) All Christians make up the offspring or "seed of the woman" since they are, in effect, offspring of Jesus, the main seed of the woman. All Christians make up the 12 tribes of Rev chapter 7 (and compare Mt 19:28), and the 144,000 are selected from "out of" them. (Rev 7:4-8)
Now concerning the word "remnant": In English, "remnant" has the idea of 'a few leftovers, a residue.' In contrast, "remaining" in Rev 12:17 means basically 'the rest.' Here are all the occurances in Revelation: 2:24; 3:2; 8:13; 9:20; 11:13; 12:17; 19:21; 20:5.
In 2:24 and 3:2 its hard to tell percentage wise how many 'the rest' / 'remaining' are. In 8:13 it is 3/7s. In 9:20 it is 2/3s. In 11:13 it is 9/10s. In 19:21 and 20:5 it is the vast majority. If you ever get a chance to peruse a Greek concordance, you'll see that throughout the NT the word (especially when speaking of people) is usually, if not always, used to refer to the majority. Thus, in Rev 12:15-17, the dragon's 'flood' only succeeds in killing some of the woman's seed. So he goes off to wage war with the majority who survived his flood.
There is a Greek word that means "remnant" (as in a few leftovers). But it only occurs in Acts 15:17. In the context it refers to the comparatively few Jews who become Christians in the earlier years of the Christian movement.
As I said, this was 'in case you are intrested.' If not, I'll hope you'll forgive me. These are things I could never speak of in the Hall. You are doing me a service letting me vent some of the things learned since taking the 'red pill.'
I heard them say 11+K last nite... It was 8+K when I left..
The rising occurrence of people partaking at the memorial is a result of mental disease upon these people .
Well so says the WTS.
So to clarify, people who are able to identify the corruption of the WT organization are mentally diseased as well the people who
are expressing their most ardent devotion to the WTS. organization ( god's earthly arrangement ).
Can anyone see the irony in that.
A true oxymoron of an ideology if there ever was one.
how long does it take for them to report the number?
