@N.drew wrote:
OK, retarded is not a good word. Everyone is so afraid to call me it! "Borderline" my little bit of intelligence is telling me means borderline functional.... I think you don't KNOW what Mark 3:35 means. And so you call me retarded.
@djeggnog wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the word "retarded." Technically speaking, I didn't say that you were retarded. I didn't call you retarded. Yes, it is possible to construe what I did say to make me out to have said that you were such pejoratively, but I am aware that certain words -- like "retard" -- can cause pain. When words like "retarded" and "ignorant" are used together, they are incongruent and are invariably being used to attack someone, but if not used together, they are hardly used to attack someone. I would rather not discuss some things with someone like you, who has demonstrated an intellect that suggests an inability on your part to comprehend the meaning of the words and concepts I've used. Let me put it this way, N.drew:
Your inability to comprehend some of the things I have said to you in this thread are possibly due of an acuity issue, and if this is due to retardation, then this is a disability that you may never be able to overcome, which fact doesn't make me want to laugh at you or make fun of your disability. I do not laugh at make fun of the blind person that cannot see, the deaf person that cannot hear, the asthmatic person that struggles when his or her breathing is labor, the retarded person that struggles to comprehend certain words, phrases and concepts. You see, viewed from this perspective, I have no difficulty whatsoever describing you as a retarded person, and even if this description of you should hurt your feelings, I do not use it as a pejorative.
@N.drew wrote:
[Rumpelstiltskin]
djeggnog wrote@ No, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has never taught that you or anyone else should listen to them or die;
Correct.
The army of women telling the good news are doing it so that the people they preach to won't die.
Correct (and the men do so for this reason as well).
Who else has the way, truth and life according to the Watchtower Society?
Who else besides whom? Besides the Lord Jesus Christ? Your question is vague; please clarify your question and I'll answer it.
Fathers and mothers inculcate the teachings of the Governing Body into their children so that their children won't die at the judgement before paradise comes by the Watchtower Society.
First of all, the eventual transforming of the earth into a paradise will be the result of a cleansing of the earth made new by Jesus and his angels, which cleansing will have ushered in the beginning of the 1,000-year Judgment Day of the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.
Secondly, when paradise comes, it will be the efforts of the survivors of Armageddon and the resurrected dead that will make up the nucleus of the new earth to transform the earth into a paradise. The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is a corporate entity that operates a Bible publishing company that is staffed by Jehovah's Witnesses, and it serves as the means by which the Bible-based literature and other materials that Jehovah's Witnesses use in their ministry is printed.
Thirdly, whatever the parents of Jehovah's Witnesses teach their children, it is not the teachings of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses, for while they are anointed servants of Jehovah God, Witness parents know these seven men have not been inspired by God are not masters over their faith, their being 'fellow workers for our joy.' (2 Corinthians 1:24) Witness parents are not members of a cult that blithely drink any kool-aid poured by men, for they are as are all Jehovah's Witnesses, a people that are putting their faith in the truth of God's word. (2 Thessalonians 2:13; John 17:17)
Some people play the game of innuendo. Which is even though they mean it to say it they won't say it in simple terms. Like for instance djeggnog (do you know that's a player of milk and eggs?) calling me "borderline" is the same as calling me retarded, isn't it?
Above, I re-posted my earlier comments by way of response to your asking me this same question, and I have no problem telling you again what I told you before, namely, that if anyone is retarded -- if you are indeed retarded -- that would be a disability and would explain why you have difficulty grasping what I think to be not-too-hard-to-grasp concepts, and it's not like you have any control over your retardation any more than someone that was born a diabetic or born with sarcoidosis or born with toxoplasmosis, etc. Despite your disability, I'm confident that with Jesus judging the world, he will judge us all in righteousness.
And saying the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses are they who will survive Armageddon is the same as saying if you don't join, and take to heart what they TEACH, you will die.
Yes, what you say here is exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. As looney tunes as this may sound to you, did you know that there are some Christian denominations that believe the world will yet witness millions of Christians floating up toward the heavens and being caught up in the sky in a rapture, which event will be accompanied by automobile accidents, train derailments and plane crashes occurring all over the world followed by the confirmation of a seven-year treaty supposedly based on Daniel 9:24-27? Why do you care about the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses if you have other beliefs? What happened to that dream of yours about a Bible discussion group that has an 'ancient language authority' anyway?
@The Searcher wrote:
Romans 6:7 out of context, gives all unrepentant sinners automatic forgiveness, just because they have stopped breathing.
@djeggnog wrote:
No, it doesn't; Romans 6:7 merely renders a judicial determination as far as the sins charged to the account of the dead individual. They are not forgiven their sins; they have been acquitted from culpability for their sins. Their having received an acquittal from God would be as if they had never sinned at all.
@Ucantnome:
These child killers and rapists who die in this time of the end and get a clean slate an acquittal and resurrection seem to have a good deal.
Either read what I write and don't talk to me. I explained what an acquittal is, and no one's resurrection is assured. I joined this thread to answer the 16 questions raised by the OP, not to focus on things over which I have no control and have no solution. I'm not about to focus on the few "child killers and rapists" that live among us in this world, but if discussing how you and I can make this world a better place in which to live should be a delusion of yours, please don't include me in your delusion because I think it plain stupid for anyone to think that this world can be rehabilitated and made a better place in which to live.
Many of these "child killers and rapists" move from one church to the next, from one city to the next, and no one can stop these people from killing other people or raping other people, so Jehovah's Witnesses are not going to be able to stop these child killers and rapists either. Stop moaning and accept the reality that human beings are powerless to protect others from crimes like these. If the authorities cannot eliminate these child killers and rapists sprinkled in among the 310+ million people here in the US, let alone those among the seven billion people in the world, how do you propose Jehovah's Witnesses handle the impossible? What makes you say such nonsense?
What happens to those people at armageddon who believe Christ died as a ransom and was resurrected and are baptised but who will not join you in preaching your good news regarding 1914? If they are mistaken will God give them a clean slate too do you think?
Recall that 2 Thessalonians 1:8, 9, says that "those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus ... will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction," which means they will not be given "a clean slate" because it a woe to those that fail to declare and obey the good news,' which means they will not benefit from having the clean slate given to the dead, but they will be put to death by Jesus and his angels at Armageddon. (1 Corinthians 9:16)
@etna:
Again, as you just quoted Matt 28:18. He couldn't have any more authority, that was given him on his [resurrection]. YOU show me from the BIBLE and not the WATCHTOWER, how he came to be king in 1914????
Unlike those Jehovah's Witnesses you have met that are tied to Watchtower publications because they do not have the in-depth knowledge they would have had they spent a little more time studying the Bible as I have so that they would know as I do what the Bible teaches without needing a crutch. I never quote from the Society's publications, except in those threads where doing so is pertinent, so go back and please scroll up and re-read the scriptures I cited -- just the scriptures only -- in my previous message and see if you can figure out for yourself what it was I pointed out about the Lord Jesus Christ, let alone his Messianic kingdom, not having been given authority by God to rule until 1914 when the appointed times of the nations had been fulfilled.
If you do not wish to accept what things the Bible says and prefer to believe that Jesus being ruling as king in 33 AD, that's ok, for you are free to choose whether or not to believe in other things as well, such as the Trinity, purgatory, mass, immortal soul, lent, novenas, indulgences, penances, holy water, the veneration of Mary, the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption of Mary. There are a lot of people that believe it doesn't really matter what you believe, as long as you believe something, and if this sounds good to you, then I'm ok with you believing whatever it is you choose, ok? I thought you wanted the scriptural answer to your question, but I see now that all you want to do is argue with someone because you have your own beliefs and you have no interest at all in what the Bible says because you have issues that the Bible will never solve to your satisfaction.
@djeggnog