Watchtower Society visits Apostate Website! (page 3)

chasson

To add something on the topic, in a letter from the french's watchtower, the writer was very aware of what kind of information which circulated on the net about the UN/WT association's topic.

Bye

Charles

I am planning to add a category with news and background info on Jehovah's Witnesses from (European) countries. If you have time, could you write a brief article for WatchtowerInformationService.org about the latest developments in France?

Rado Vleugel
The Netherlands
[email protected]
http://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/

BritBoy

Wooo Hooo let them snoop! I aint worried about it... what is the worse they can do? Damn us to everlasting cutting off in.... ummm ... 2014... or um.... 2075...

Perhaps they will learn something from Apostate sites... my guess would be that they are VERY senior Dubs who are buried deep in the borg or Dubs who are aware of all the bullshit within the borg and are nothing less than Spin Doctors!! As Kylie so aptly put it, "Better the Devil you know"

Britty

"My body is a Temple NOT an Amusement Park"

ChristFollower

I work as a Systems Administrator for an Internet company. With my experience, I have to agree with the original poster regarding this. A little program called Neo Trace will give you the trace for srv1.wtbts.org straight to Brooklyn NY headquarters. It will even give the longitude and latitude of their location. Heh. (The power of the Internet).

This definately came from Bethel. At my company, we recently locked down our LAN so that our own employees can't go anywhere on the NET without us knowing exactly where, for how long, and from what workstation. No reason to think the WT doesn't do that for their Bethelites. I would say they are seeing what they have to do "damage control" on as the poster points out. People don't set up their LAN's for casual use these days for just anyone to happen by. If nothing else, I am sure that they have the LAN locked down tight so that no one uses their machines to surf porn sites (visiting contractors and non-JW's included).

An "insider" would go to the public library and surf the web if they are smart; because they wouldn't last long otherwise, imho.

Looks like their Info Sec security is pretty low. If they were bright they would use a proxy that doesn't have their name on it. Oops. Oh well. Bet they won't do that again.

I wouldn't be surprised if members of the Governing Body went to sites; the legal team; or high-ranking members who are assigned to do research. The GB and the elders think they are above the rules. I suspected this for some time.

Here is the output from the trace:

Name: srv1.wtbts.org
IP Address: 208.210.221.70
Location: New York (40.694N, 73.990W)
Network: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

Registrant:
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (WTBTS-DOM)
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483
US

McAfee Visual Trace Version 3.25 Results
Target: srv1.wtbts.org
Date: 2/27/2002 (Wednesday), 8:33:28 AM
Nodes: 25

Node Data
Node Net Reg IP Address Location Node Name
25 1 1 208.210.221.70 New York srv1.wtbts.org

Packet Data
Node High Low Avg Tot Lost
25 73 73 73 1 0

Network Data
Network id#: 1
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (NETBLK-UU-208-210-221-64)
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201
US

Netname: UU-208-210-221-64
Netblock: 208.210.221.64 - 208.210.221.127

Coordinator:
Gott, Joel (JG5823-ARIN) [email protected]
(718) 625-3600 (FAX) (718) 560-5309

Record last updated on 11-Nov-1997.
Database last updated on 25-Feb-2002 20:01:06 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related

Registrant Data
Registrant id#: 1
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information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information about
or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not guarantee
its accuracy. Additionally, the data may not reflect updates to billing contact
information. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree to use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data to:
(1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited,
commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone, or facsimile; or
(2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to VeriSign
(or its computer systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or
other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written
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Registrant:
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. (WTBTS-DOM)
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483
US

Domain Name: WTBTS.ORG

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:
Gott, Joel (JG5823) [email protected]
Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, Inc.
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, NY 11201-2483
(718) 560-5333 (FAX) (815) 346-2198

Record last updated on 27-Dec-2000.
Record expires on 28-Dec-2002.
Record created on 27-Dec-1996.
Database last updated on 26-Feb-2002 21:16:00 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.WTBTS.ORG 208.210.221.70
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Visual Trace Copyright ©1997-2001 NeoWorx Inc

chasson

Yes, I could Radlo, if you correct my bad english's translation, i can even give you an article about the story of counscientous objector's status in France in 1960, i have other article about the situation in france concerning blood for example and the Suprem Court, all i need is someone who have the time to correct my english, for example, i have an article about the tract from November 2001 and the latest Mils (Interministerial Mission against cult) talking about JW attacking France in the European Commission.

Come on folk, i need only someone who could correct my english's error... ;-)

Bye

Charles

Sam Beli

I agree with CF that this could be the legal department looking. They very well may be distressed by Fado's use of the "Watchtower" name in the title of his site.

He may want to get ready for a legal onslaught from WT legal.

Sam Beli

I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon

fodeja

He may want to get ready for a legal onslaught from WT legal.

Well, considering that the Netherlands has one of the most liberal copyright laws in the world, he shouldn't be too worried. I don't think this little website would be worth all the legal hassles and negative publicity for the WTS, anyway.

f.

p.s.: It's a great little website, Rado!

Smoldering Wick

Come on folk, i need only someone who could correct my english's error... ;-)-chasson

Charles,

Maybe this will help a little.
http://www.freetranslation.com/

Wick

Dino

Hey there is that name Joel Gott again. Wasnt there a thread re him recently?

chasson

Thanks smoldering,

Well, i could try to provide you translation by automatic's translator, but i think it would be difficult to read ;-)

Bye

Charles

Watchtower Society visits Apostate Website!

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