Talked to 2 Elders Today (page 3)

red21

@2tone, you don't sound very submissive! Sheep do what they are told remember! Shear your coat...shutup and don't complain. Lambs to the slaughter, shut up and don't complain! haha

RubaDub

I'm not sure of your position in the congregation but:

1. If you have no family in the borg that you care about "losing" or if the idea of getting df'd is acceptable to you, then fine, just move on and skip the rest of my comments.

2. If you don't like the idea of being df'd, then you must realize that you are heading down the wrong path quickly.

Remember, your attitude can be more of a factor with the BOE than what you actually do or don't do. Don't you realize that challenging them on points like "it doesn't say that in the elders manual" is basically mocking their knowledge of the matter. Plus, unless you are or have been an elder, the book is off-limits to everyone else. In their minds, they could reason that you have "stolen" information that is not rightly yours. Also, if they ask where you got the information, what is a good answer to give them ??? Do you say I got it from a friend, from an elder, from an apostate website ??? I'm not sure there are any good answers.

You may not have any direct action taken against you at the moment, but if you have an elder or two that want to make an example out of you, watch out. They can make your life a living hell. If you later say or do something that even hints of something negative about the local brothers or the borg in general, you can get repeatedly called to the "back room" and questioned about your loyalty to the organization, do you consider yourself a JW, are you living your life in harmony with Bible principles as directed by the organization, etc, etc, etc.

One slip and you are in front of a JC and all bets are off. You are at their mercy unless you do a real song and dance.

I don't know the details, but I'm not even sure how others know about your "plan" to have a member of your family move in with you. Is the family member broadcasting the information or is it you? Do you feel compelled to tell others?

Again, I'm not sure why you want to stir up the crap. If it were me, I would keep my mouth shut and stay under their radar.

Rub a Dub

Freeof1914

I agree with you, it is not anyone's business, but yours. If they have a problem with it they can shove it. I have been in several situations where elders have come to my house and I completely throw them off with my lack of bowing down to them. That being said Rubadub has a point, how much are you willing to lose? In my case I have decided that my personal freedom is worth the tremendous sacrifices I will have to make so I am just buying my time before writing my DA letter. If you are sure of the choices you will be making in the future, then more power to you carry on with your verbal jousting with the elders, but if not just tread carefully until you are fully comitted to leaving the religion.

RagingBull

Hmmm.... using OLD light on you. wow!!! the UN scandal was more recent. go figure.

2tone

I have no position in the congregation. I have never been an elder. My friend who is currently an elder told that the elder book did not comment on the situation and i quoted him as saying that. Honestly maybe im underestimating these elders, but I think there just too stupid. Just my father and mother are witnesses and a couple distant relatives. My younger sibling isnt baptized and will make a departure from the cult once they are financially independent through finishing college.

I had to defend my position. I just dont want anymore trouble about the situation or trouble about the attitude I had toward the elders.

baltar447

It's like elders just run around wasting time on stupid sh!t like this.

2tone

Baltar - thats what I was saying. The one called me while he was at work. I was thinking that was good use of company time. I guess its justified in there conscience because its being for theocratic activities. Id like to hear that talk between him and his supervisor.

RubaDub

I had to defend my position. I just dont want anymore trouble about the situation or trouble about the attitude I had toward the elders.

2tone ...

I still don't understand why there is an issue, why the elders are calling, etc. if the event hasn't even happened yet.

I don't see any position you have to defend. You say you don't want any more trouble, but why is there any trouble in the first place? Nothing has happened yet.

Did the relative who will be visiting call your local elders and let them know he was going to spend some time with you?

I don't understand how or why there is an issue at this time unless you purposely threw stones at the hornets' nest.

Rub a Dub

LongHairGal

Retrovirus:

How correct that they have NO concept of privacy and boundaries, my biggest issue with them. Privacy is non-existent to these people. This is an all-or-nothing religion and let me tell you, there are NO boundaries. They will overstep in every way they can. When I look at the few friends I have there, I have to tell you that these sisters are walked all over and act as if their life is an open book that anybody can walk through and tear a page out. This is totally unhealthy behavior for an adult and was something I would not tolerate and one of the reasons I became a "fader".

Once anybody starts answering unnecessary and intimate questions to these control freaks (who have no business asking in the first place), the sky is the limit.

redvip2000

Reminds me when my mother refused to let a cousin who was visiting from overseas, stay at her house with the woman he lives with just because they are not married. Then eventually allowed it when they conceded to sleeping in separate rooms.......priceless.

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