Report back from the International Cult Studies Association event in London

by nugget 22 Replies latest jw experiences

  • nugget
    nugget

    The ICSA event in London was a day well spent although a little emotionally draining. The event was well represented by ex JWs who formed the biggest group there with representatives from both the UK and Europe. Other cults discussed during the day were, Exclusive Bretheren, Christian Scientists, Therapy cults, Mystic cults, Born Again Christian Cults and some extremely scary mind control groups. Some of the most harrowing stories were from parents with children caught up in cults who were trying to get them out.

    Whilst the issue of shunning was not addressed on this occasion, there was some useful advice and help offered that I feel may help others on the board.

    Christian Szurko presented a section on restoring relationships with Parents, siblings and children still in the sect. I feel that although some of the general points are helpful his key idea of mediated dialogue could only work with parents or spouses who have never been JWs trying to reach those still in.Here is a brief summary of his talk:

    We are all humans and when we become emotionally involved we make mistakes, this can result in us saying the wrong thing and burning our bridges. These bridges need to be restored .What we all can do is make others aware that we are thinking of them. We can send cards and postcards just to keep them in our thoughts. One son kept returning cards and gifts sent to him back to his parents. The son was in a cult with environmental ideals so the parents started arranging to have trees planted for him and then let him know every time they did. He couldn't send the gift back and it helped to reach him. So be creative.

    Keep in mind that rebuilding the relationship is more important at this stage than getting someone to exit the group. This means that we need to be prepared to say we were wrong. If we have said something like "exit the cult or I'll have nothing to do with you." then acknowledge that this was a mistake. We are not bound by the rules of the cult, this means that we do not always have to be right. We do not have to win every battle. What we have to display is gentleness and a willingness to proceed slowly. We can be non combative and be patient and realise that some things are absorbed slowly.

    But more than anything be persistent. He said when we love someone time is the currency by which we measure love.

    Christian acts as a mediator bringing the two sides together and translating parental concerns and presenting material in a constructive way allowing both sides to express their concerns and increase communication. He talks to both sides and then brings them together to discuss their concerns. He has worked with JWs in the past but in my discussions with him it would appear that he has enabled some who already had doubts to clarify them. I do not think this technique would work with somone who is Df'd or DA'd who wanted to talk to his witness relatives as I firmly believe that they would not accept any mediation other than the elder arrangement.

    Another interesting discussion was presented by Gillie Jenkinson who is a counsellor specialising in people who have been affected by their cult experience she is also part of a charity that offers free counselling to ex cult members in the UK although there is a waiting list. the charity is encourage www.encourage-cult-survivors.org. Several people discussed their cult experiences during this section.

    As this looks long enough already I will post further experiences from the day further down and allow other attendees to share their thoughts on the day there is so much to cover.

  • nugget
    nugget

    Steve Hassan often attends the ICSA events so for those in the US it may be a good opportunity to meet him in person.

  • EmptyInside
    EmptyInside

    Thanks for sharing.

  • Dagney
    Dagney

    Thank you Nugget.

  • Found Sheep
    Found Sheep

    sounds like a good day thanks for the info

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    Good summary nugget, I hope you got your tube ticket sorted easily? x

  • cedars
    cedars

    Great summary nugget, it sounds like a fascinating event and I wish I had attended too. Maybe next year!

    Cedars

  • nugget
    nugget

    Yes I did can't leave told me that putting it next to his iPhone wipes the magnetic strip. Who knew.

    The best bit of the day for me was the warmth and friendliness amongst the ex jw community at the event. We certainly are a force to be reckoned with.

  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    excellent! Before I met Steven Hassan none of them considered JWs a cult, at least in the old Cult Awareness Network.

    I'm glad to hear of such a turnout!

    Listening to former members of other cults is the quickest shortcut to deprogramming yourself, it can happen overnight. No waiting for years to deal with WT-planted guilt and fear - it's gone in a flash. If you want to do the same thing in your own home, get the DVDs from Steve's exit-counseling class I hosted back in 1990.

    http://www.freeminds-store.com/dvd/learning-the-techniques-of-exit-counseling-with-steven-hassan.html

    Quick Overview

    A special class taught by Steven Hassan on March 23-25, 1990 for those who desired a greater foundation in reaching out to those caught up in the cults. The emphasis was placed on learning how to do an intervention (exit-counseling), the modern alternative to deprogramming. Watch sample clips and read more

    Randy

  • nugget
    nugget

    Randy thank you so much for the links brilliant information.

    One of the key elements was the need to take the time to heal yourself. Sometimes this needs to be done before you can help others. In one experience a mother had left the therapy cult but not really recovered mentally from the experience. It was only when she reached out to Steve Hassan because her daughter had joined an occult cult that she realised that she was not ok herself and sought help.

    Even though the experience has been a difficult one acknowledge that you have learnt from it and take away the opportunity to use this in helping others. Having left the cult are you more appreciative of others, more friendly, more grateful etc.

    It was highlighted that sometimes we are cautious about discussing our cult experience with people who have not had the same background. However a good approach is to ask questions like have you ever been fooled by someone? for second generation born ins you could ask did you ever believe something as a child that seems ridiculous now? It helps to put the experience into terms that most people can relate to. Terri from the board here made an excellent suggestion that other people such as homosexuals have also experienced coming out and life changing adjustments and talking to people such as them can help us appreciate our own experience and how to move on from it. It is true that many people have made radical changes in their lifes and have come through them. Listening and sharing our experiences is invaluable.

    ICSA has produced some good articles especially on how second and third generation born ins can start to rebuild their lives. This is an area that is starting to receive greater focus as this group is increasing.

    As an aside there is some lobbying to get religious counsellors registered by the counselling governing body. They would be associate members but still would have to abide by the principles laid down by the BACP that professionals have to follow. How this would affect the elder arrangement I do not know since they offer advice to congregation members on everything from marital to health issues but it unlikely that the governing body will see the need to abide by this or will state that they have no counselling in the congregations. This is a wait and see.

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