Latte,
I do love you all and so does Jehovah. But he doesn't like what people do at times.
'Apostate' or something better???
by Latte 31 Replies latest jw friends
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Latte
Fred....so we're even then?
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CornerStone
I do believe that is the most reasonable discussion I have heard Fred have, EVER!
(P.S. Sorry to talk about you, Fred, in the third person )
CornerStone
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out4good3
Latte:
What's so horrid about that word? The only thing horrific about it is the JW definition of it and how it is used by them to strike fear in the R/F. "Don't talk to apostates, keep away fron apostate material... no independent thinking, you can't discern understanding fron the Bible alone, you need our magazines and books for true understanding, don't run ahead of the organization, food at PROPER TIME, field service and meeting attendance.......man made rules all designed to isolate you and keep you away from information that may keep you from going out peddling their books and tracts." Them running door to door with those magazines are apostasy in itself. I feel and have told JWs that if they truly felt they had the truth, that the GB and slave would have no problem with the R/F critically thinking and using they're own researched material to prove or disprove their doctrines. They're real agenda is filling up the bottom to support the hypocritical and corrupt pyramid structure at the top, no different from Amway or Primerica.
The real definition of Apostate found at dictionary.com is below.
apostate
\A*pos"tate\, n. [L. apostata, Gr. ?, fr. ?. See Apostasy.] 1. One who has forsaken the faith, principles, or party, to which he before adhered; esp., one who has forsaken his religion for another; a pervert; a renegade.
Nowhere in that definition does it state that one has to have forsaken the WT version of the truth, the WT organization, or Jehovah/Yahweh/God. What is says is that one has to have forsaken their ORIGINAL faith, principles, party, or religion for another. If they used the real definition of the word, instead of the self serving one handed down to them by the GB and the slave then by definition, all of the converted witnesses themselves are apostates. But of course they have their own "pure Language" that disputes these facts.
If any of the labels JW's use to "mark" people strike fear in your heart, or gives you the feeling that you're stigmatized, hopefully by now they don't, then I submit that on some subconscious level, you're probably still enslaved in some way to the mind control that is the WT.
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apostate man
I like Apostate.
But how about;
free thinker,
intelligent,
versed,
researcher,
done done done,
woken up,
smart,
broken free... just to name a few.Thanks for reading the above and remember, always add pepper to your vomit BEFORE you lap it back up. mmmmm good
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Moxy
apostate is an old word that is used by members of any religion for defectors from that religion. it may or may not surprise you to know that this word is part of the venacular of Moonies and Mormons and many other religions over the centuries, not just JWs.
in neutral literature, the term 'former so-and-so' is more common and perfectly descriptive.
former members of a religion tend to use the harsher 'ex-so-and-so.'
a matter of perspective, i guess. i like to avoid generalizing terms for people in here, whose ideas and beliefs are as aggressively diverse as they are.
mox
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safe4kids
Personally, I kinda like apostate But I like it even more after reading what out4good wrote!
\A*pos"tate\, n. [L. apostata, Gr. ?, fr. ?. See Apostasy.] 1. One who has forsaken the faith, principles, or party, to which he before adhered; esp., one who has forsaken his religion for another; a pervert; a renegade
Hey! I'm a pervert renegade - I knew it!
How 'bout a combination like say...Apostoperv or Reno'perv...we could belong to "Simon's Pervegade" has a nice ring doncha think?
Dana
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Beck_Melbourne
Latte
I like your suggestion...but I can't see the JW communities adopting a new word....they all 'talk the talk' and they won't change their words unless the borg puts it in a WT article to stop using it...kinda like when they said to stop using the word 'society' when describing the borg. They will keep the word apostate because of the fear that is attached...however I would like to adopt a new universal word...for those of us on the outside...which we could use when we do happen to engage in a conversation with an active JW or a JW relative.
What about 'born again'? No that's already been taken...
'Borg Free' has been taken too...*shrugs shoulders*Beck
Beck
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Stealth
Fred,
Actually the word apostate makes me laugh.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints"... billy joel
Come on Fred, admit it, your an apostate too, or you would listen to your leaders and wouldn't be here.
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TheEye
I know. How about "Smart".