Do You Know C.R.A.P. ?

by Perry 71 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Perry
    Perry

    There is no shortage of ex-elders, behelites, ex-circuit overseers on this forum that continue to spout their hatred for christians, even as they did while leading their former adherents down the same path. The new religion for these preachers of paradise, is Materialism. In their view, SCIENCE is the arbitrator of TRUTH. it is a worldview known as Materialism.

    For them, anyone who has had a firsthand encounter with God, through a vision, being carried away in the spirit, or spoken in the language of angels is merely mistaken. Yet, these encounters with God constitute first hand testimony. The changed lives for the better after a person exchanges his life for the life of Christ is just an accident, pure chance, not reliable. Yet, their "scientific" sources of knowledge are supposedly beyond reproach, beyond question, totally unable to be understood by mere mortals without a Phd.

    This post is directed toward that mindset, and not toward anyone in particular. Just a friendly, but firm push-back at Materialism.

    So, do you know CRAP? - The Center for Research in Applied Phrenology.

    This was a bogus research facility thought up by Philip Davis, a graduate student at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, who got a nonsensical computer-generated paper accepted for publication in a peer-reviewed journal.

    So, I ask - if a student can get a CRAP paper published that, since it is "peer reviewed", will be fawned over by the purveyors of Materialism as "new light"; what are the odds that other "scientists" can produce other unfounded papers that support the views of those that fund their research? (pay their checks)

    Global Warming

    Recently, we all just witnessed a dramatic GLOBAL HOAX where certain scientists wrote published articles supposedly documenting global warming when in fact their private emails indicated that they "cooked the books" to satisfy their funders wishes.

    And previous to this, there was the Tobacco research hoax:

    The tobacco industry set up numerous "front companies" to do certain tasks, one of which was to fund scientific studies that did not look for a relationship between tobacco and lung cancer. They spent scores of millions of dollars funding these studies.

    • "Since 1954, one of CTR's [Council for Tobacco Research - U.S.A., Inc.] principal activities has been to fund scientific research by independent scientists through its grant-in-aid program, under the supervision of its Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) supplemented on occasion by research contracts. CTR itself has not conducted any scientific research. Through this research program, from 1954 through 1996 CTR has provided approximately $282 million to fund over 1,500 research projects by approximately 1,100 independent scientists.

    The researchers who have received CTR grant funding have been affiliated with approximately 300 medical schools, universities, hospitals and other research institutions, including such prestigious institutions as Harvard Medical School, Yale School of Medicine, Stanford University, numerous institutions in the University of California system, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, the University of Chicago Medical Center, the Scripps Research Institute, the Mayo Clinic and the Salk Institute. The researchers who have received this funding have not been employees of the tobacco companies or CTR. CTR's grantees have included many distinguished scientists, three of whom have won Nobel Prizes." http://www.rkmc.com/tobacco.order91097.asp

    Now explain something to me. If a group of high school students with a phone book can scientifically prove there is a relationship between tobacco and lung cancer, emphysema, etc., how is it possible that 1,500 research projects, done over a period of 42 years, by researchers at 300 prestigious medical schools, etc. had not been able to find a relationship between tobacco products and lung cancer, emphysema, etc.!!!

    The answer is that in order to obtain funding, they knew they had better not find a relationship! The rules of getting research money are very simple. You ascertain who you are getting paid by, you ascertain what they what you to publish, then you accept their money and do a study which does not double-cross them. Otherwise, your "research" money dries up real fast.

    Interesting isn't it?

  • botchtowersociety
    botchtowersociety

    The Bible is a peer-reviewed book.

  • designs
    designs

    Perry you're fun as in funny.

  • designs
    designs

    The door of Genesis got blown off its hinges by William and Carolyn Herschel, circa 1800, with a 40' Telescope and the Calculus developed by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Leibniz.

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    Too bad these publishers don't cover the fields of Evolution and Astronomy. But whatever makes you feel better.

    That's a good thought. Just be happy with what you believe in :)

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I don't see a lot of hatred toward Christians. I do see hatred toward closed-minded fundamental insistent of correctness about Christianity. But I imagine we will always see differently.

    As far as personal spiiritual contact goes, I will say that, because I had such contact which led me to JW's, I had to investigate the validity of such experiences. Even without such, most experiences contradict other experiences so people have to be wary of believing them, whether they are personal or experiences of others.

    As far as CRAP goes, its that stuff the bird leaves on your shoulder and the Fundy websites you like to quote.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Maybe this board is a place to assist people who are leaving the JWs, and by that definition:

    A bad place to continually preach your own brand of religion - whether it is some kind of fundamentalism, atheism, or whatever.

    I feel like almost all the people here are just glad to be out of the JWs and don't really need or want to be preached to.

  • Caedes
    Caedes

    So a scientist exposing a journal for not being rigorous enough with it's peer review process is an indicator that their is something wrong with science? Wow, it's almost like Perry the parrot didn't actually read the article quoted.

    There is no shortage of ex-elders, behelites, ex-circuit overseers on this forum that continue to spout their hatred for christians

    Does that mean that ordinary ex-JWs get a free ride on this point? Could you give an example of someone expressing this hatred, because I haven't seen it on here.

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    Could you give an example of someone expressing this hatred, because I haven't seen it on here.

    Well, I did see poster N.drew get pretty badly trolled on a thread she started about unconventional views of bible interpretation.

    But I tend to think that may have been more personal than strictly religious.

  • Sapphy
    Sapphy

    Why is the word science in scarequotes?

    "...spout their hatred for christians..."

    I don't see it. What I do see are people articulating reason based criticism of certain religious doctrines.

    The burden of proof is on the person making the claim

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KayBys8gaJY

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