uh-oh...i just became UNDECIDED...or Costa Rican...What Obama said in Iowa last night

by oompa 59 Replies latest jw friends

  • GeneM
    GeneM

    Let’s look again at the comments in question... "The challenge we face right now, the challenge we've faced for over a decade, is that harder work hasn't led to higher income. Bigger profits haven't led to better jobs."

    He is talking about the challenge of legislators and presidents. It's their job to step back and with the powers they are given, alter the trajectory of the market. In Obama's case he is trying to find ways to use the power of the presidency to influence the markets in such a way that the poor and middle class can have a larger share.

    He doesn’t do this because he's a socialist. That is really the job of every president, because the rich by definition already have power to influence the markets to benefit themselves.

    (let me take a break here and say I work at a major bank as an underwriter and literally billions of dollars’ worth of loans have met my approve/decline stamp, I love capitalism and the free markets, they are the most powerful force for good in the history of humanity... and am a democrat)

    Presidents don’t do this just to get in the good graces of the poor and middle class, though in a democracy that is part of it, but also to prevent and slow the growth of wage disparity.

    It is widely accepted, rightly in my view, that having a country where there are 1% of people are worth billions and 80% of people worth basically nothing is a bad thing. But that's another thread probably.

  • Diest
    Diest

    I know plenty of people who make more money with less work. You honestly think that CEOs who average 10 million in compensation work that much harder than people making 100k? You really think they are 100 times more productive?

  • designs
    designs

    Marvin-

    Many companies have profit sharing and stock ownership plans for the employees. There are Federal-State protection for Retirement funds from confiscation by owners and in corporate take-overs. When a company fails stockholders lose and profit sharing stops so there can indeed be shared loss.

    Yes people can leave a company and seek a better position. Bobby Kennedy said in 1968 that the average American worker would need to expect changing their careers 4-6 times throughout their lifetime.

    What we are seeing is Collective Barginning losing hard fought ground.

    Don't be so staggered its not that toppsy tervy just politics and economics and the impact on society. Think of Shakespeare writing Julius Caesar or Dickens writing Bleak House, indictments on greed and corruption and the need for humanity.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    Boom Deist!

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “Many companies have profit sharing and stock ownership plans for the employees.”

    Designs, do you know why a typical company offers those things to employees? Please tell me you don’t think it’s an act of beneficence. It’s not. It’s something in the direction of carnal.

    Marvin Shilmer

    http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

  • darthfader
    darthfader

    Diest.. how do you want to measure productivity of a CEO vs a minimum wage worker? There is really no comparison... Productivity has increased in part because people are working harder, but also the increase in automation.

    I'll bet that the ratio of increased income for the wage worker is in line with the amount of effort hey put into their work and not their productivity.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    It's not even about "sharing the profits". It's about what works long term for the economy at large. To say that the trend we are experiencing works for any but the top, or is sustainable, is to be ignorant of facts. Even the Chinese are beginning to realize that when you pay employees more, they buy more. Henry Ford got it a hundred years ago. It's really quite simple.

    Greed can be legislatively kept in check, and that's a good thing.

  • designs
    designs

    Why the link to an article on blood, are you thinking blood-suckers.

    Depends on your idea behind using terms like beneficence and carnal. If its general information about how such plans work and why they are attractive to employees there are many online resources, try money.cnn.com or money.howstuffworks.com.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    Darth I refer you to the chart above for a better understanding

  • GeneM
    GeneM

    I dont think the emotion of greed can be kept in check. Maybe the action of wealth hoarding.

    What I'll never get is why people do it (amass weath). Study after study after study has shown that after you make enough to cover your needs and a little extra (a salary of about 50k) you dont get any happier at all. All the hours, all the stress, all the wasted years are just that, wasted. There are no U-Haul's following hearsts. Just make enough and stop worrying.

    I really feel sorry for people that are obsessed with making money. It's like there is something wrong with their brain like an obsessive compuslive need to be richer than everyone else.

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