A coordinated effort to bring up Watchtower pedophelia to the public's attention.

by Village Idiot 27 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • defender of truth
    defender of truth
    I can't get involved in a campaign, I'm still in due to living with JW family.
    But I hope that these are helpful...
    Best of luck :)

    (Who's knocking at your door? Pedophile Flyer)
    www.aawa.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ABUSE3.pdf

    (spanish version)
    www.aawa.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Qui%C3%A9n-est%C3%A1-tocando-a-su-puerta-Whos-Knocking.pdf

    (AAwa child abuse flyer)
    www.aawa.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/AAWA-child-abuse-flyer.pdf

    The child abuse flyer is also available in French, Portugese, Romanian and Italian..
    www.aawa.co/publications/flyers-and-handouts/
  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    @ LisaRose...

    Your little op-ed piece could stand a pass or two through editing, but otherwise, it's pretty good.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    defender of truth,

    The first flyer looks good but it should be re-written to include citations to the Candace Conti case especially the elder's letter that was written in recommendation of the molester with praise for his manner of handling children. If there's a photo image of that letter it definitely should be included in the flyer even if it takes up an extra page.

    The phrase child molester should be included in the oversize paragraph headings instead of "abuser". People tend to only glance at unsolicited literature and may toss it unless the large print spells out the most alarming word or phrase possible.

  • steve2
    steve2

    As a member of the public, I would be most annoyed by the efforts of others in my region whipping up a moral panic over alleged pedophiles in the local congregation of Witnesses.

    The public do not take the time to carefully ead the message - except to see the word "pedophile". Are you aware of stirring up trouble for the vast number of innocent JWS? You will be aware that over the years there have been horrific stories of moral panics purposely whipped up be various groups against otherwise innocent parties.

    How does a leaflet drop educate the public about the issue without inflaming over-reaction of the worst kind?

    I've had anonymous leaflets in my letterbox from a variety of religiously-vested parties. But not one linking the risk of a serious crime to an identifiable group otherwise going about its lawful business. This smacks of crafty stuff using the pedophile concern to milk opposition to the local kingdom hall. It will also feed the Witnesses' expectations thst close to the end, they will be roundly persecuted.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Here's why I think these things are misguided:

    There is no evidence that JWs have a higher incident rate than other religions, or even teachers or other groups. Putting flyers out that border on accusing members of the local congregation could cause legal issues or at least play into their claims of being oppressed. They would only need to have a letter or editorial in the local paper saying they have never had an incident locally and boom, now who looks like the people being jerks?

    Is the problem with the local congregation or with the HQ, their policies and their coverups? If so, what is the warning to local people meant to be about?

    The flyers I've seen also try to attach too many other issues. Shunning former members? Dissuading further education? Why would someone who cares about child abuse care about those things? They suggest "disgruntled" more than caring about the welfare of children.

    Please think of the message: the JW calling at your door may be a pedophile. True ... but then so could the post man or the gas inspector or any number of other people. Does anyone say "sure, I'll just leave my children alone with you" whoever shows up at their door?!?!

    Far more important is the rules governing people in authority over children and how reports of abuse are handled. Resorting to "scare" tactics about who is calling at your door is not addressing the real issue IMO. If no one talks to JWs has the problem been solved ... at all? No ... so what is the point of that type of campaign?

    I think a better use of time and resources would be to go to work on getting legislators to require background checks on anyone working with children: teachers, pastors, doctors; you name it. We might actually bring the power of the law to bear on this problem.

    I agree with this completely. I think it would be far more effective to join other groups campaigning for the mandatory reporting of abuse cases. The danger in some of these leaflet campaigns is that they appear to be attempts to smear as much as they are to help. They only affect a few locals at best and they should not be the target, the WTS should be. Unless we know for a fact that something has happened locally and in that case, we should be going to the police with our concerns.

    What is the call to action? What are people meant to do - pelt JWs with eggs next time they show up? If you're not careful you give people a reason to listen to them rather than ignore them. At worse, it tips some stupid idiot to do something crazy and attack someone. Yes, that does happen - people make false accusations and mobs don't really do "reason" very well.

    Too much seems to be being pinned on some individual cases to damn a whole group of people. If we're simply "using" someone else's bad experience to pursue our own revenge or retaliation then isn't that simply a different form of abuse?

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    steve2 and Simon,

    Irrespective of whether a particular religion may have the same rate of pedophilia as others the danger is high enough to forewarn others. I know from experience that public service employees and private businesses that deal with children require a background check which the Watchtower does not. I have no problem with legislation. The two could be done together.

    In my opinion the flyer should state that the rank and file Witness are not made aware of these issues and that the problem lies on the elders and their hierarchy.

    As for the flyers trying to attach other issues I completely agree that other issues should definitely not be mentioned even in brief. They are irrelevant and not of any interest by the public.

    Down below is an interview by anchor woman Connie Chung of CNN. I consider it an example of how to handle these sensitive issues.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wH7j2TrjXUc

  • Simon
    Simon
    Irrespective of whether a particular religion may have the same rate of pedophilia as others the danger is high enough to forewarn others.

    Sorry, that doesn't make sense. If someone else has a higher rate then why not warn about them - aren't they a bigger risk? The common sense approach IMO is to push for awareness of child protection in all areas. Singling out one particular group to be wary of only makes sense if that group has a demonstrably higher incident rate. If JWs were going door to door and abusing kids then hell yeah, warn away ... but does anyone really think that happens?

    I know from experience that public service employees and private businesses that deal with children require a background check which the Watchtower does not. I have no problem with legislation. The two could be done together.

    I think legislation is always going to be more effective as a deterrent and to give legal ammunition for a crime being committed. Even if you had 10,000 people handing out leaflets it's going to have a very limited impact compared to law that would compel them to change their behaviour or face a consequence.

    In my opinion the flyer should state that the rank and file Witness are not made aware of these issues and that the problem lies on the elders and their hierarchy.

    You have already lost the audience. Look at it from their point of view: why are you telling them this? What do you expect them to do about it? If someone says "gee, that's terrible - what can I do about it?" then what is the answer? Is there time to explain the control structure of the WTS to people? I don't think so ...

    As for the flyers trying to attach other issues I completely agree that other issues should definitely not be mentioned even in brief. They are irrelevant and not of any interest by the public.

    It's easy to get carried away and to write a shopping list of reasons we don't like the WTS. If we do that though it really betrays the reason for the list to be something other than what it's being advertised as.

    I don't know what the reality is for this. Does the WTS have a low incident but then handle the incidents it does have very badly due to the belief system? Is it a massive problem yet to be uncovered? There is anecdotal evidence that it's the latter and their tardy unwillingness to hand over documents suggests that it may be a big issue but I think you need more concrete facts to backup some of the claims being made.

    Pushing for better child protection policies is something that should be supported though and I think lending weight to existing groups campaigning for mandatory reporting is going to have a better chance of success.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Note: It's illegal to put flyers in mailboxes in Canada.

    I agree with JeffT.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    Simon,

    "If someone else has a higher rate then why not warn about them - aren't they a bigger risk?"

    Would this someone else be going door to door seeking converts?

    Talesin,

    "Note: It's illegal to put flyers in mailboxes in Canada."

    In the United States as well but it's all right to leave them on doors.

  • violias
    violias

    Other groups may very well have as much sexual molestation but they don't go door to door and conduct Bible studies . Jws are a higher risk due to this. I would gladly do this but check your city ordinances as where I live you must have permission from city to leave things at doors, except jws and other religions.

    Yes in usa can leave them on the doors ,under matts etc. Just not In mailbox.

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