The Stark & Iannaccone study on JW growth!

by Mindchild 14 Replies latest jw friends

  • cellomould
    cellomould

    You are probably right Larc;

    as soon as the organization becomes a little more liberal, something like 9-11 happens. 'Satan is on the prowl' again.

    My friend told me that the tone totally changed subsequently. I don't know if any others can verify this.

    Has there been a trend towards strictness in the local congregations since September?

    If only Satan would go away. What an insidious beast he has been!
    LOL

    cellomould

    "In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

  • Pork Chop
    Pork Chop

    This is a great paper. I'd think the Organization would love it because it validates everything they do.

    Looks to me like it also outlines what you can do to change the status quo:

    Hang around and turn in one hour a month.
    Hang around and attend one meeting a week.
    Hang around and push the limits of acceptable behaviour just as hard as you can.

    I'm wondering if the mechanisms described in the paper are breaking down even now because the growth rate is certainly not holding.

  • openminded
    openminded

    Wow! great article. Keep this stuff coming. I really apreciate it. -om

    Does anyone disagree with what Stark states? I think he hit the nail on the head here.

    -om

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    every single one of these links, I click on them and nothing happens, I get errors. I will have to go on memory.

    Why do Jehovah's Witnesses experiience increase, in spite of failed prophecies, etc?

    1) Because Watchtower lies, lies, lies. "We never said that, we never did that, and we never MEANT that".

    2) Because Jehovah's Witnesses have babies, and because those babie grow up to be children who can, and usually are, subjected to horrendous psychological abuse unless they adopt, at least outwardly, ALL the beliefs of their parents.

    3) Because, in addition to lying, Watchtower got rid of all the literature (Russell, Rutherford, etc) to prove they are lying. They CHANGE their literature. They WITHOLD much literature from their followers. (BOE letters, elder's book etc) And they especially withold information from an inquiring public.

    4) Because, most, if not all, Jehovah's Witnesses have symptoms of clinically diagnosable mental disorders. I would venture to say they HAVE clinically diagnosable mental disorders PERIOD, and in fact I do believe that, but I it's not my field. That doesn't mean it isn't TRUE tho.

    Now before I go on, could someone tell me if Stark deals with these issues in any of his work. I am going on the premise that this is a trained and experienced researcher, not just Joe Bloe coming in off the street to a meeting. I believe I have every right to hold him to a higher investigative and reporting standard than Jane Scmuck from down the street.

    Edited by - dungbeetle on 26 June 2002 14:36:51

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    It's hard to imagine that they can recover the growth momentum they experienced during the years when their treaching of ``this is the generation'' linked to their chronological calculations (the end of the Gentile Times, the Kingdom's purported birth, etc.) that would ``never pass away'' still retained a shred of plausibility.

    We used to identify that generation as the ones who witnessed World War One; then, progressively less plausibly; ``those born in 1914'' and even less credible, the current ambiguity about the meaning of the term ``generation.'' Now it's the WWII generation that is almost gone; and the 2014 date looms uncomfortably on the not-too-distant horizon. What then?

    An intractable problem for the WTBTS how much of its credbility it's staked on the accuracy of its chronology, most if not all of which has been discredited by the inexorable ticking of the clock.

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