Why are religious people scared of atheists?

by jamesmahon 69 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • glenster
    glenster

    I'd compare it to

    - someone not liking a song you love--OK
    - someone criticizing that someone's playing the wrong notes
    or off the beat (literalist fundamentalist)--OK, and the person
    of faith (progressive reform) might join the critic
    - someone bashing anyone who likes such songs--that could be
    annoying but dismissed as 'centric like flame war

    Either side might say something dumb:
    - intelligent design and the good things in life prove there's a God or
    - the laws of the design of things and the bad things in life prove
    there's no God

    Either side might reflect poor research:
    - Arguments against evolution, against equal rights for women
    and homosexuals
    - Belief is the biggest cause of war and causes the urban myth version of the
    Dark Ages

    The basic concepts of God and atheism say nothing about character.
    Someone of either choice could get on a list of abominations or philanthropy
    so some of either kind could reasonably be considered scary.

    The JWs leaders bash everyone else's songs, play wrong notes and off the beat,
    teach intelligent design and bigotry, are more known for abomination (blood issue,
    etc.) than philanthropy, and their followers are discouraged from researching
    about them (apostate literature).

    I don't know if they're scared, but if they are they probably console themselves
    with their money.

  • talesin
    talesin

    Accepting someone's belief is the easy part. Letting them decide how you or anyone else is allowed to live their life is the difficult bit. In this regard I don't think that non-believers through or because of their non-belief try to tell other people how to live their lives. Or force it into law.

    JM -- Yes! It matters not to me, what/who people want to worship. It could be goddess, jesus, or vishnu -- it's the marriage of religion and state that is just wrong. We in the west like to pretend that religion and state are separate, and that is just a lie.

    Glenster -- curious - what do you mean by the 'urban myth of the dark ages' - I've never heard that expression before. Thanks. :)

    tal

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Tell your son that there is more to life than belief and that everyone has to make their own choices.

    Sab...Sab, Sab, Sab. Holy shit dude. At first, I had trouble even believing you wrote that. I read it, thought "WTF", read it again.

    THAT'S the Sabastious I remember talking to, the one I enjoyed reading. Bravo. Excellent post.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Well, EP, I relate to his quandry but from the opposite position. As a believer myself I would hate to know that my son's belief came from mine. The very thought puts a bad taste in my mouth so I am a very strong supporter of living life beyond belief. This doesn't mean living a life free from belief, but rather with the free ability to choose belief or not without any influence from the parental role. If my son wants to follow the Flying Spaghetti Monster then there is no problem with that just as there is no problem with him exploring churches around the area. Ever since he was born my mind has been in a frenzy over my influence on him. It seems impossible to not influence my children in some way, but there also seems to be a lot of control on my end. Parenting is terrifying.

    -Sab

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    How old is your son? Mine are 12 and 9. And I feel the same way. They are free to choose. I just ask that they do their best, work hard at it, be honest and think critically about what they do and why.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    How old is your son? Mine are 12 and 9. And I feel the same way. They are free to choose. I just ask that they do their best, work hard at it, be honest and think critically about what they do and why.

    27 months.

    -Sab

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Oh, my friend, it only gets better worsebetterworsebetterworse different from there on out.

    It is nice when they can get their own cereal in the morning. It's a PITA when they start challenging everything you say. It's awesome when they take up some of the same hobbies you have so you can do them together. It's silly when they are embarassed to be seen with you.

    OTOH, it's pretty fun to embarass them sometimes. Just because.

  • glenster
    glenster

    Glenster -- curious - what do you mean by the 'urban myth of the dark ages' -
    I've never heard that expression before. Thanks. :)

    The myth of the Dark Ages is that belief in God must include the sort of lit-
    eralist conservative interpretation of old religious accounts that works against
    the advancement of science, and that this, made law of the land, held back pro-
    gress in science for centuries. According to Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_ages

    "Films and novels often use the term 'Dark Age' with its implied meaning of a
    time of backwardness. For instance, the popular movie Monty Python and the Holy
    Grail humorously portrays knights and chivalry, following in a tradition begun
    with Don Quixote. The 2007 television show The Dark Ages from The History Chan-
    nel called the Dark Ages '600 years of degenerate, godless, inhuman behavior.'

    "The public idea of the Middle Ages as a supposed 'Dark Age' is also reflected
    in misconceptions regarding the study of nature during this period. The contem-
    porary historians of science David C. Lindberg and Ronald Numbers discuss the
    widespread popular belief that the Middle Ages were a 'time of ignorance and
    superstition,' the blame for which is to be laid on the Christian Church for al-
    legedly 'placing the word of religious authorities over personal experience and
    rational activity,' and emphasize that this view is essentially a caricature.

    "Contrary to common belief, Lindberg say that 'the late medieval scholar rarely
    experienced the coercive power of the church and would have regarded himself as
    free (particularly in the natural sciences) to follow reason and observation
    wherever they led.' And Edward Grant, writes: 'If revolutionary rational
    thoughts were expressed in the Age of Reason [the 18th century], they were only
    made possible because of the long medieval tradition that established the use of
    reason as one of the most important of human activities.'

    "For instance, a claim that was first propagated in the 19th century and is
    still very common in popular culture is the supposition that all people in the
    Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat. This claim is mistaken. In fact,
    lectures in the medieval universities commonly advanced evidence in favor of the
    idea that the Earth was a sphere. Lindberg and Numbers write: 'There was
    scarcely a Christian scholar of the Middle Ages who did not acknowledge
    [Earth's] sphericity and even know its approximate circumference.'

    "Misconceptions such as: 'the Church prohibited autopsies and dissections dur-
    ing the Middle Ages,' 'the rise of Christianity killed off ancient science,' and
    'the medieval Christian church suppressed the growth of natural philosophy,' are
    all cited by Numbers as examples of widely popular myths that still pass as his-
    torical truth, although they are not supported by current historical research."

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    Parenting is terrifying...that's certainly true. I remember my youngest son, in his twenties, faced with the dilemma of shunning me, saying to me, with tears in his eyes....'mum, you taught me this...you taught me it was the right thing to do'....dear god it was an awakening! It made me realise the power of my influence, worse, I realised I'd made such a serious mistake that I couldn't retract. Learn from this guys....let your kids decide for themselves based on loving kindness and their own innate sense of right and wrong. Keep the cults away from your families at all costs.

    Loz x

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Wow, Loz, I'm sorry you had to go through that. That sounds hardcore.

    -Sab

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