CHANNEL C FORUM DISCUSSES ANNULLING DISFELLOSHIPPINGS AND REINSTATING PRIVILEGES BY GETTING AROUND WTS ELDER'S BOOK POLICIES

by oppostate 11 Replies latest jw friends

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  oppostate

  Donny's heart-breaking post

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/227658/1/Just-venting-I-hate-the-Society

  about his JW-elder son feeling he must abide by WT's latest crackdown on shunning DF'ed family members reminded me about the following post at Channel C forum that I "view" from time to time:

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  http://www.channelc.org/ChCForum/forum/index.php?action=display&forumid=1&msgid=10083

  Ok, I thought of this "tongue in cheek" and after realizing that I'd bit hard, and my tongue became sore, it transformed into a "why not?" idea... Your thoughts on this below are welcome:
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  I've been reading the new elders book (a copy of which I'm willing to share with anyone here on ChannelC) concerning the DF'ing and reinstatement procedures.
  
  It seems to me that a person may request to be reinstated, a committee is formed, and a decision is made, then a public announcement is made if the person is reinstated as one of Jehovah's Witnesses... All of which can be done according to the elders book, yet the decision rests with the reviewing committee, and what is there to hold us back from forming committees and annulling DF'ings and reinstating those who are clearly wrongly DF'ed.
  
  (Note that it is easier to recall a DF'ing that was done on improper grounds than to reinstate someone who admits guilt and wishes to conform to Watchtower discipline procedures.)
  
  So I propose we go about this tout de suite and take advantage of the wonderful provision of reinstatement by committee.
  
  I volunteer as Committee Secretary to serve papers on any congregation informing them of a person's reinstatement as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
  
  Personally I can see the first case before such a Committee to be the DF'ing of Raymond Franz. I feel that given the information that we now have available out on public through the internet can serve as basis enough to recall the decision by the brothers who DF'ed Ray and reinstate the brother publicly online... starting with an entry on Wikipedia and posting it all through the Witness Forums and ex-JW forums out-there in the cloud.
  
  So what do you think? Anyone up for serving on a reinstatement committee?
  

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  Do you think this is feasable? Or are they just grasping at straws?

  If you are DF'ed or DA'ed and being shunned would you consider

  getting one of these reinstatement letters sent to the local KH?
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  mind blown

  I don't think many here will want to be reinstated after finding out how disgustingly crooked and wrong the WTS is, however, I would totally go for having my original membership not acknoweleged/annulled on the grounds I was lured by false advertizing (on many levels) and decieved into believing they were inspired of God.
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  oppostate

  @mind blown

  thanks, that brings another issue up. The annulling of baptisms. Does the new Elder's Book say anything about this?

  And would a person who's baptism is annulled get an announcement different from not being one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

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  Back to the idea of reinstating DF'ed by committee review:

  I would think that the idea of annulling DF'ings would be to counteract shunning, right?
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  Doubting Bro

  I doubt this would work. The original DF'ing committee is the one to reinstate. So, if the person is going to the same hall (or one close enough where the elders know each other), they would clearly realize that its a fraud.

  I don't think the WTS believes in annulment.
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  Balaamsass

  Since the entire WTBTS Publishing Co is a sham anyway, it would be easy to do this. All the forms are on the Net. Letterhead takes 5 minutes. Most halls use a local P.O. box now.

  Just "move" states and "re-instate" yourself, then fade without turning in time- if your family is out of contact with the brothers who D'fed you. Unless you get "appointed" to something no one will know or care. This was not uncommon in years past, before the original judicial commitee had to OK the re-instatement.

  When I was at Bethel, a guy who had left his family, got d'fd, and fell off the radar in one state came trotting through our department on a tour with a new family as an Elder. He had switched his first and middle name, and became "interested" when a hot sister called at his door. He "rapidly progressed", married, and was appointed an Elder (by Holy spirit). (hummmm he had never divorced wife one or paid child support). Problem was one of my co-workers had been an elder in his old hall.......best laid plans of mice and men....:)

  People get bogus College degrees every day. Just stay away from your old elders....it IS a big world.

  ...or if a person is willing to stoop to a such a shamm to see family, just tell the elders what they want to hear, get re-instated, move, and fade.
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  wannabefree

  Why not?

  Mormon's baptise the dead.

  Nobody appointed the Governing Body, anybody can challenge their authority. There is not a clergy class. All are technically equal.

  Disfellowship the Governing Body for crimes against humanity.
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  oppostate

  @Doubtingbro

  I believe it would be very unlikely that this would work for someone who hasn't moved out of the circuit.
  But for someone doing a fade and having moved away, the announcement in the congregation where their family attends might be just what they wished for.

  @Balaamsass

  Does anyone have these files of letters, forms, etc. that can be uploaded anew?
  Most links on older threads are dead. Are any JWN members here into archiving these forms?

  @Wannabefree

  The Governing Body has no legal connection nor is it a legal entity that operates under any corporation since the changes in 2001.
  Since they've "disassociated" themselves from any legal WT incorporated entity, how easy would it be to set up another un-incorporated and un-attached group that informs on the shannanigans of the Governing Body and it's fracass'ed moral leadership of the JW religion!
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  Giordano

  Anything that can be done to remove shunning should be done (theocratic warfare as practiced by ex JO-HO'S).

  What is needed is a list of people who were DA and who would like to be able to speak to their family. A class action lawsuit is one approach.

  Once again it's not about winning it's about revealing the despicable nature of the WTBTS.
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  MidwichCuckoo

  Only with 'New Light' could baptisms be annulled (maybe supported by no recorded minor baptisms in Bible). After all, marriage is (supposed to be) for life - and is a 'contract' between adults - but there are Biblical reasons why that contract can be dissolved.

  The problem is, if those Baptised as minors (as I'm sure many of us here were) were annulled, then it would be easier to discuss issues with family/friends still in. So not viable to the WT. Loss of control.
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  Room 215

  anybody here looking to get reinstated?