Breeding Ground for Sex offenders

by enigma1863 14 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • enigma1863
    enigma1863

    The Watchtower would never claim that they want child molesters in their congregations. No 'respectable' organization would. That doesnt mean they are doing anything to prevent it though. They have instead created a breeding ground for it through their policies.
    Imagine you have a house. In that house are piles of waste and garbage are everywhere. You can put up signs and publically declair that you are against rats, roaches and desease. You might say how horrible they are and even educate people on avoiding them. You might try to eliminate every pest you see but if you dont eliminate the source and clean house they will just keep coming back.

  • Kojack57
    Kojack57

    You hit the nail right on the head. I agree totally!!!!!

    Kojack

  • enigma1863
    enigma1863
    (Reposted due to website formatting issues)
    The Watchtower would never claim that they want child molesters in their congregations. No 'respectable' organization would. That doesn't mean they are doing anything to prevent it though. They have instead created a breeding ground for it through their policies.


    Imagine you have a house. In that house are piles of waste and garbage are everywhere. You can put up signs and publicly declare that you are against rats, roaches and disease. You might say how horrible they are and even educate people on avoiding them. You might try to eliminate every pest you see but if you don't eliminate the source and clean house they will just keep coming back.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    Well said, enigma, and spot on.

    The WT leadership may very well hate the fact that child abusers can be found thorough the rank-and-file (although if so, I suspect it's for more pragmatic reasons than faith-based), but the Org's fundamentally authoritarian nature and hierarchal structure makes it virtually impossible to fix.

    To truly solve the problem, they'd have to stop being an authoritarian high-control group, and that just ain't happening.

  • LisaRose
    LisaRose

    I doubt the Jehovah's Witnesses have a higher percentage of pedophiles than any other religion, at least to begin with, but they sure do make it easy for them to say and prey on children. Being a cult they probably have a higher number of people that are more naive and trusting than average. They also like to pretend the congregations are a "spiritual paradise", free from the problems of the world, so that tends to make their followers more trusting of others.

    Instead of one pastor or minister in a congregation, someone who has been trained in dealing with issues like this, they have several elders who attend a few weeks of bible training, little of it dealing with pedophilia and child abuse. These are difficult issues to deal with, no doubt there is a tendency to ignore red flags when it comes to this kind of thing, especially when elders are also under the delusion that such things rarely happen in "Jehovah's organization" With numerous elders and ministerial servants, it also makes it more likely the pedophile will be in a position of authority. It's a strict hierarchy, where elders have a great deal of authority and women and children are taught to obey.

    Even when it is acknowledged that abuse has happened there is a tendency to blame the victim, to think they somehow encouraged the behavior, or even to consider them as guilty, as if they were equally responsible. It's not unheard of for a minor to be disfellowshipped for immorality for having been abused by an older man. Then you have the infamous "two witness" rule, something that virtually guarantees pedophiles will not suffer any consequences if they don't admit to the behavior, at least the first time they are accused. Sex abuse is treated the same as any other sexual immorality, with no consideration given to the known statistics on sex abuse, that there is a high likelihood that a pedophile will reoffend. There is a sort of hubris involved, as they believe they are being guided by God's holy spirit, so they deceive themselves into thinking they will know if a person is truthful and whether they are repentant or not.

    There is also the headship principle, where women are expected to obey their husbands. Of course most women would not knowingly allow their children to be abused, but if a man is abusive to his wife and the elders have given her counsel many times to stay anyway, that obedience and victimization can become deeply ingrained, to the point that she either doesn't recognize the signs or even knowingly allows her children to be abused.

    Even when pedophiles are caught or admit the abuse, there seems to be is a tendency to let the pedophile off easily. If the person appears to be repentant they can be privately reproved, so no one else knows that there is a pedophile in their congregation. Even if the person is disfellowshipped, they can usually easily get reinstated after six months to a year. At that point they are treated no differently than any one else who has been reinstated, they are considered a member in good standing. People in the congregation are never told why they have been disfellowshipped, so remain in the dark.

    Despite their public assertions to the contrary, men can be and are appointed elders, even if it is known or suspected by the elder body that they have sexually abused children in the past. Many congregations have a hard time finding enough elders, so there is obviously a temptation to overlook or minimize past wrongdoing.

    Finally you have the Watchtower itself, the most guilty party in this equation. They follow a pattern of sweeping such problems under the rug, and sticking with policies that enable pedophiles. They prefer to quietly pay off victims in exchange for non disclosure agreements and when that doesn't work they will lie, delay and otherwise hinder any lawsuits. They believe they are God's sole channel of communication with mankind, so they no doubt justify this behavior as needed in order to not "bring reproach" on Jehovah's name. At the same time they have criticized other religions, especially the Catholics, for their own child abuse issues, all while pretending it rarely, if ever, happens to them.

    They were recently fined several million dollars for failing to provide discovery documentation and witnesses for a lawsuit, so it's obvious they have something to hide and are willing to pay to keep it hidden. This while telling their members they are financially challenged and asking for more donations. Most current Jehovah's Witnesses do not know they have a list of known or suspected pedophiles, rumored to be 56k in number, and they will do anything to keep the existence of that list unknown to the public and especially to their their members.



  • Scully
    Scully

    Here's a thought:

    Anyone in the JWs with personal knowledge of a child molester in their congregation or circuit/district should boycott any official JW event (Meetings™, Field Service™, Circuit Assemblies™, District Conventions™, Special Assembly Days™) and cut off any financial support for the WTS. If the Elders™ ask you about it, you tell them that you have personal knowledge of an individual in the Congregation™/Circuit™/District™ and that you will not be associated with a group who allows such individuals such liberal access to children, both inside the Congregations™ and in the Field Ministry™, and that you do not wish to have your children exposed to such individuals, nor do you wish to be responsible for inviting outsiders to associate with such individuals or facilitate access to the children of outsiders to pedophiles. Your conscience does not allow you to perpetuate these practices.

    When you play the Conscience™ card, a typical JW does not know how to respond to that, because if they expect/encourage/instruct you to ignore your Conscience™ on such an important matter, they would create a Stumbling Block™ for you, and thus become Bloodguilty™.

    I've used this tactic a couple of times with excellent results.

  • enigma1863
    enigma1863

    Scully they probably would equate the Watchtower with "Jehovah" and say don't let that one person ruin your personal relationship with god.

    I think I've heard them use the illustration of the illogical decision of a husband divorcing his wife because his boss is giving him a hard time. I think it would be logical though if the boss was sleeping with his wife of the boss was a nagging controlling father but I digress.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    lisarose - "I doubt the Jehovah's Witnesses have a higher percentage of pedophiles than any other religion, at least to begin with, but they sure do make it easy for them to say and prey on children..."

    Wouldn't making it easier for pedophiles to stay and prey on children directly cause the WTS to have a higher percentage of them than other religions?

  • warehouse
    warehouse

    LisaRose wrote:

    Most current Jehovah's Witnesses do not know they have a list of known or suspected pedophiles, rumored to be 56k in number, and they will do anything to keep the existence of that list unknown to the public and especially to their their members.

    Is there actually anything out there to prove or hint to the existence of such a list? (besides hearsay by individuals on ex-jw sites or idiotic el-dubs . . . no offense)

    If so, can you direct us towards that info? Thanks.

  • tim3l0rd
    tim3l0rd
    Is there actually anything out there to prove or hint to the existence of such a list? (besides hearsay by individuals on ex-jw sites or idiotic el-dubs . . . no offense)
    If so, can you direct us towards that info? Thanks.

    Yes, read up on the Jose Lopez case. It was admitted that the information exists in a database, but WT refused to provide it. https://www.revealnews.org/article/jehovahs-witnesses-use-1st-amendment-to-hide-child-sex-abuse-claims/

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