The Sandusky Scandal's Possible Impact on the WTS

by Quendi 58 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Refriedtruth
    Refriedtruth
    Remember the big scandal with these guys?
    Warren Jeffs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Leader of the FLDS Church... 19 or 20 wives and had about 60 children.

    The FLDS cult is a LOT smaller than the Jehovah's Witnesses and they stick to themselves isolated in their compounds. JW outreach by going door to door intrusively often in a cold-call obnoxious manner . THINK if Roman Catholic priest outreached by going door to door,in the midst of the pedophile priest scandal.They would have been stoned in the street. If JW get big bad publicity they are all done going door to door. The Watchtower already has a subterfuge/protocol for dealing with 'goat like' hostile territory they send in a pair of elderly pioneer sisters as sort of a human shield to try to soften things up. Got lots of experience with decades of 'underground' 'informal' witnesses in former Soviet bloc. The Watchtower knows they need an option if door to door ceases and that is why they are ramping up their online presence.The WBTS ONLY cares about their corporate survival,millions of followers will come and go turnover will get worse but they will adapt just like Scientology.

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    Many who had never heard of Scientology have now been informed about the religion thanks to the Tom Cruise mess. If the Conti case goes viral the same thing may happen to the pedophile problem among Jehovah's Witnesses. And while Refriedtruth makes a good point about how the organization adapted to conditions in the former Soviet bloc, the bad publicity resulting from the Conti case would be a different problem to address. Opposition would come, not from a government, but from a hostile public that would see the religion as an enabler of pedophiles and child molesters. No amount of sweet old ladies at a door will make people think differently about that very sensitive issue.

    Quendi

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Penn State could pay $100 million in civil damages to Sandusky's victims and lose public funding

    10 hours ago

    Penn State supporters likely felt the university hit rock bottom Thursday with the release of the Freeh Report, with its damning litany of evidence that school leaders ignored and concealed horrific crimes against children.

    But the cost to Penn State could be more severe than anyone imagined. The university could eventually fork out more than $100 million to victims of Jerry Sandusky's child molestation, experts say.

    Although the Freeh Report is not a legal document, its findings following the conviction of Sandusky, a former Nittany Lions defensive coordinator, on 45 counts of child molestation would make any civil trial difficult for the school to win. Penn State already has encouraged victims to come forward and settle, but now the victims will be encouraged (and many will say justified) to come forward asking for millions of dollars.

    "Penn State could get clobbered," said Norm Pattis, a leading trial lawyer based in Connecticut who specializes in civil suits. "The plaintiff's theory is not just that people were injured but that lives were ruined. It's not uncommon to see behavioral problems. I think the damage claims could be very significant." Graham Spanier's decisions might cost Penn State millions. (AP)

    How significant?

    "Five million apiece is a conservative estimate," Pattis said. "If I had one of these plaintiffs, I'd hold out for a $10 million settlement and it would take a lot of work to get me to do less."

    Some experts feel that number is excessive, that six-figure settlements are more likely. "Somebody said $10 million per victim," said legal expert Michael McCann, director of the Sports Law Institute and professor of law at Vermont Law School and a contributor for Sports Illustrated. "No, I don't see where that number is from. When somebody dies, it's not that high."

    [Related: Dan Wetzel: Joe Paterno ignored helpless boys, protecting Jerry Sandusky]

    But McCann acknowledges the real possibility that new victims could come forward, emboldened by the courage shown by the victims who testified against Sandusky. Fewer than a dozen took the stand, but one study found that men who molest boys average 150 victims. "Let's face it," McCann said. "There must be other victims. That's why Penn State should get closure."

    Chicago-based attorney Andrew Stoltmann believes the cost to Penn State could soar past $100 million in settlements – a number Pattis agrees with. And that's the preferred path for the university because a trial not only likely would lead to more ugly evidence against Joe Paterno and the school, but could outrage a jury enough to award a victim tens of millions of dollars in damages (though a legal procedure called remittitur allows a judge to reduce a jury award deemed excessive).

    University insurance could cover a large award, but the school's inaction over the course of the past 14 years in stopping Sandusky's behavior may threaten the coverage. "If you found high-level officials knew what was going on," Drexel law professor Richard Frankel said, "it could give rise to punitive damages. Then the university is on the hook for itself."

    Asked by Yahoo! Sports columnist Dan Wetzel on Thursday if civil claims could run into the hundreds of millions, Victim 1’s attorney, Michael Boni, said, "I don't think that's out of the question."

    [Related: LaVar Arrington talks Joe Paterno on Y! Sports Radio Wetzel to Forde show]

    Nor is further investigation out of the question. In fact, experts say, it's likely. The Freeh Report showed evidence of a clear violation of the Clery Act, which mandates a school report crimes on campus to the federal government. That could cost Penn State tens of thousands of dollars in fines. And then there's the possibility of NCAA violations, specifically articles 2.4 and 10.1 of the NCAA constitution, which insist on proper ethical behavior on the part of coaches and school officials: "These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."

    The NCAA sent a letter to Penn State asking for answers to four key questions related to the Sandusky scandal, and sports law expert Alan Milstein thinks it's a foregone conclusion the NCAA will get involved. "If Penn State is smart," he said, "they're going to self-punish and eliminate the program for one year to avoid the death penalty."

    Others believe that because this is a criminal issue and not a sports concern, the NCAA will avoid interfering. Milstein vehemently disagrees. "This is all about sports," he said. "All about protecting your sports empire."

    He predicts Penn State will "shut down" its football program temporarily and allow athletes to transfer without penalty. If that happens, the school obviously would suffer a serious financial hit.

    Would all this irreparably damage the university? Probably not, as Penn State's endowment is $1.8 billion. But unfortunately for the school, there's another frightening scenario to think about, and it involves Title IX.

    Most of us think of Title IX as federal legislation that ensures gender equality, and that's true. But in a well-argued article for Justia.com last year, Hofstra professor Joanna Grossman and Pittsburgh professor Deborah Brake pointed out "Title IX's ban on sex discrimination clearly encompasses sexual harassment, whether it is opposite-sex or same-sex, and sexual assault and rape each constitute a severe form of sexual harassment, as well as being criminal acts."

    The authors cited a 1992 Supreme Court case, Franklin v. Gwinnett County Public Schools, which allows a sexual harassment victim to sue for damages based on Title IX. (It's difficult to argue the Sandusky victims were not harassed.)

    Grossman and Brake then tackled the issue of whether Sandusky victims can sue under Title IX since they are not affiliated with the university. But they noted the use of the word "person" in Title IX language: "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be … subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance …"

    Since some of Sandusky's crimes occurred on university property, and were enabled by his affiliation with the school – bowl trips for Second Mile children – Grossman and Brake argued that "Title IX covers all programs of a school, even when such programs take place away from school facilities, including on a bus, field trip, or at another location."

    In an interview with Yahoo! Sports, Grossman said, "There is going to be some pressure on the Office of Civil Rights to investigate [a possible Title IX investigation]. The Freeh report really calls upon them to look into it because of what it says about the institutional culture." Joe Paterno, right, and other Penn State officials were part of the problem. (AP)

    Grossman and Brake concluded that Penn State is liable, citing Gebser v. Lago Vista Independent School District, another Supreme Court case in which it was ruled "a school is only liable for damages for harassment (or assault) by a teacher if an official with authority to address the harassment has actual notice of the harassment and responded with deliberate indifference."

    The Freeh Report went a long way to establish "deliberate indifference" by several Penn State officials with the authority to address the harassment. Paterno, then-athletic director Tim Curley, then-university president Graham Spanier and then-vice president Gary Schultz were found to have "repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse."

    [Audio: Dan Wetzel provides an overview of the Freeh Report]

    Title IX has not been applied to a situation quite like this because there hasn't been a situation quite like this. But now there is, and the U.S. Department of Education already is investigating. Penn State, as with all public universities, relies on government money. And a violation of Title IX could have implications beyond civil suit payouts.

    "They could lose federal funding," said one attorney in the counsel's office of a major university, who requested anonymity. "It will bury the institution. There will be no university without financial aid."

    Is Penn State in jeopardy of surviving as an institution? Most experts say no. But there is a price to pay for a total failure of leadership at one of the nation's top universities. And that price will be enormous.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Quendi : That case with Steven Unthank sad to say went nowhere , the Dept. of prosecutions decided it" was not in the public interest" to pursue the case.

    A travesty of justice if their ever was one.

    smiddy

  • Refriedtruth
    Refriedtruth

    More ideas on linking Penn State Sandusky pedophile scandal with Watchtower Jehovah's Witnesses child molestation cover-up

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/228347/1/Louis-Freed-report-on-Penn-State-and-how-it-is-like-the-WTBTS

  • harleybear
    harleybear

    smiddy: not knowing about the legal system down under does that mean the all charges were drop. What prompted this move??? I had just heard about this last night when talking with a buddy in Florida. Were did the pressure come from? Yicks HB

  • Quendi
    Quendi

    @ smiddy: That is distressing news about the Victoria case and like Harley Bear I wonder what prompted the state's decision to not move forward. Does the end of the prosecution also mean that Governing Body members are no longer subject to arrest if they set foot in Victoria? More than likely it does. But while the horizon may have cleared in Australia, it is otherwise Stateside. I believe the Sandusky scandal will mean the Conti case will be litigated to its fullest extent. As mind blown quoted from the Yahoo! Sports piece earlier in this thread, "But there is a price to pay for a total failure of leadership....And that price will be enormous."

    Quendi

  • Balaamsass
    Balaamsass

    I have heard from ELDERS I know in the SF Bay area. They fear sitting on any cases of Child Molesting for fear of PERSONAL LIABILITY. Gary Abrahms was a well liked guy, had been a devoted substitute C.O., and is terrified of having to come up with $300,000. for obeying WTBTS legal. The scuttlebut is they feel hung out to dry by WTBTS.

    North Fremont Cong. exhibit: A - Bankrupt Elders.

    The private talk is they will NOT obey WTBTS legal, and will have parents call the POLICE immediatly. SCREW legal, everyman for himself. ELDERS ARE concerned about old cases. Rats on a sinking ship. An EXCELLENT time for lawsuits.

    I saved all my old judicial case files. I was privately marked for "walking disorderly" and "causing divisions" BECAUSE of involving the police..so I will never have that sword over my head and I sleep well because of it.

    I look forward to testifying in future cases.

  • life is to short
    life is to short

    Wow Balaamsass

    Getting hit for 300,000. How many elders who wash windows can afford that. But the elders are independent agent from what a attorney at Bethel told me when I called about the pedophiles in the hall I went to. My husband never knew he was just a independent agent said he was never told the whole time he was an elder for 32 years. Now they are slapping that one on the elders. Crazy anyone would stay in this religion.

    LITS

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Quendi , harleybear

    Steven Unthank has all the info on his website , sorry I`m not computer savvy , maybe you can google him.

    smiddy

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