Disfellowshipping, Association, and Marriage question.

by baltar447 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Ok, so I've heard it said before that disfellowshipped people can't associate with OTHER disfellowshipped persons. Is this in print anywhere or in the elder manual?

    Also, are there "rules" about disfellowshipped persons marrying? It's been told to someone I know that if you are disfellowshipped and you marry another Disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witness, then it will delay the reinstatement process. I'm normally very well versed in all aspects of Jehovah's Witness doctrines, beliefs and such, but this is stumping me. I'm trying to find information but if anyone can assist helping me find anything in print I'd appreciate it.

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Anyone? Anyone?

  • Bobcat
    Bobcat

    Baltar447:

    Off hand I can't provide any references. But having spent several decades as an elder, I can tell you that normally what a disfellowshiped person does in connection with marriage is usually of no interest to the elders (beyond curiosity, that is).

    Now if a baptized person marries a disfellowshiped person, from what I have seen, the baptized person would normally be disfellowshiped. I think that is taken as a choice to fellowship (at the closest level) with a disfellowshiped person. So in essence, it is more a matter of defiance of the Society than anything else.

    As far as disfellowshiped persons associating with others in like standing, I never viewed it as of any importance, nor have I seen it as being of any concern to elders I served with. At the same time, some (elders) are reasonable, and some are semi-Nazi's in their views.

    I kind of think that if two disfellowshiped person started conversing with each other at the Hall, more elders would likely be incensed. I think, as a whole, they tend to view quiet listening, more towards the back, as the proper conduct for DFed ones. Anything beyond that starts raising eyebrows.

    I hope this is of some use.

    Take Care

  • wisdomfrombelow
    wisdomfrombelow

    I am not aware of any restrictions on disfellowshipped people on who they can talk to and what they do. They are no longer members of the congregation and they can do what they like. I would cherish the opportunity to go hug a person right after the disfellowshipping announcement but they are rarely there when it is announced.

  • blondie
    blondie

    1. Associating with disfellowshipped people including;
    2. Friends - ks91-E p.103, w81 9/15 pp.25-6, w55 10/1 p.607
  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    I have not seen anything in print. I think they would be hard put to make official rules governing people who were not members any more.

    I do recall being told that two d/f'd ones whose cases were unrelated should not "buddy up" for mutual support in the reinstatement process. I never knew why.

    As for marriage, I think that it all depends....If a couple were d/f'd for fornication then married and came back as a married couple, should that not be a plus on their side?....but if two people had unrelated cases , met as d/f'd and married - I don't know..

    Either way, I would have thought that a decision to marry would be worth a bit longer waiting for reinstatement???

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Thanks for chiming in guys. I know from my own research that I can't find anything in print, nothing in the Shepherding(beating) the Flock book either.

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Thanks Blondie, I didn't think to look in the "old" flock book.

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w55 10/1 p. 607 Questions From Readers ***

    What if a publisher refuses to stop associating with a disfellowshiped person? I do not mean a member of the same family and who must dwell in the same house, but one who insists that he can continue associating with the ousted one, perhaps saying the disfellowshiping action was wrong.—A. P., Cuba.

    The apostle Paul says “to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.” (1 Cor. 5:11, NW) If a publisher refuses to do this and ignores the prohibition on associating with the disfellowshiped one, that publisher is rebelling against the congregation of Jehovah, and “rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as idolatry and teraphim.” By siding with the guilty one and breaking with the congregation over this issue, the publisher is causing a division. Paul says: “Keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching which you have learned, and avoid them.”—1 Sam. 15:23, AS; Rom. 16:17, NW.

    He should be strongly admonished, being impressed with the fact that by associating with the disfellowshiped one he is a companion of wickedness and that by his course of action he is dividing himself from the congregation to be with the wrongdoer. If after sufficient warning the publisher persists in associating with the disfellowshiped person instead of aligning himself with Jehovah’s organization he also should be disfellowshiped. By openly sympathizing with a disfellowshiped person the sympathizer makes it harder for the ousted one to appreciate his wrong and hinders this one’s deep repentance and ultimate reinstatement in the congregation. The rebellious course works hardship to both persons involved.

    In the Watchtower 1955 October 1 p.607, even to associate with a disfellowshipped person became a reason to be disfellowshipped:

    If a publisher refuses to do this and ignores the prohibition on associating with the disfellowshipped one, that publisher is rebelling against the congregation of Jehovah, and rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as idolatry and teraphim. If after sufficient warning the publisher persists in associating with the disfellowshipped person instead of aligning himself with Jehovahs organization he also should be disfellowshipped.

    Shepherd the Flock of God (2011) shows that associating with a disfellowshipped nonrelative continues as a disfellowshipping offence by including such association under the categorization of brazen conduct.

    "Though this is not an exhaustive list, brazen conduct may be involved in the following if the wrongdoer has an insolent, contemptuous attitude made evident by a practice of these things:

    Willful, continued, unnecessary association with disfellowshipped nonrelatives despite repeated counsel." p.60

  • blondie
    blondie

    PS, this info is in www.juwfacts.com

    Just use the search function and put "associate"

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