The 144,000 chosen ones...I'm so confused

by SoManyQuestions 43 Replies latest jw friends

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  Will Power

  Good post nem.

  I remember I was bout 11 or 12 asking the question...."but what if I lived in africa in some tribe and I had never heard of Jesus but I was a good person......

  I've been on my own ever since.
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  Will Power

  p.s.

  on my own but not alone..:-)
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  jejeval

  How did he know that they were representing the 12 tribes of Israel?

  John was not told they 'represented' the 12 tribes, he was told they ARE the 12 tribes.

  What is the difference between 'represent the 12 tribes' and 'they are the 12 tribes'?

  Ref.: Revelation 7:4-8

  4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:

  5 Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed;
  out of the tribe of Reu´ben twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand;

  6 out of the tribe of Ash´er twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Naph´ta·li twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Ma·nas´seh twelve thousand;

  7 out of the tribe of Sim´e·on twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Le´vi twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Is´sa·char twelve thousand;

  8 out of the tribe of Zeb´u·lun twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand;
  out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.

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  tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed;
  tribe of Reu´ben twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)

  tribe of Gad twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)

  Ash´er twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)
  Naph´ta·li twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)
  tribe of Ma·nas´seh twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)

  tribe of Sim´e·on twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)
  tribe of Le´vi twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)
  tribe of Is´sa·char twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)

  tribe of Zeb´u·lun twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)
  tribe of Joseph twelve thousand; (are these numbers complete?)
  tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.

  Look at the verses 5 & 8 the word 'sealed' in which belong to two tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The other ten tribes were 'LOST TRIBES'.

  Now since John the Revelator saw the two tribes were already sealed, and the other ten tribes were 'LOST TRIBES' since the early days how JW calculated one hundred forty four thousand?

  Why the tribe of Dan went out of the picture and Ma·nas´seh instead????

  JW answer please.

  Thanks

  jejeval
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  jejeval

  Quoted from: Do All Good People Go to Heaven? JW teachings

  However, Jesus will not rule alone. Hence, he promised his apostles a place in heaven. They were the first ones chosen to “rule as kings over the earth.”—Revelation 5:10. End quote.

  Revelation 5:10 (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

  None of Jehovah's Witness is priesthood holder even from C.T. Russell up to this moment.

  Now how they could claim that the 144,000 chosen ones some of them were from JWs?

  Heb. 3:1 (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

  Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess—Jesus.

  Revelation 1:6 (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

  and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

  Acts 6:7 (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

  Consequently the word of God went on growing, and the number of the disciples kept multiplying in Jerusalem very much; and a great crowd of priests began to be obedient to the faith.

  Exodus 19:6-7 (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

  6 And YOU yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.”

  7 So Moses came and called the older men of the people and set before them all these words that Jehovah had commanded him.

  1 Peter 2:9 (New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

  But YOU are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies” of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light.

  So Jehovah's Witnesses organized by C.T. Russell doesn't have priesthood how do they claim now as TRUE Jehovah's Witnesses?

  Jehovah's Witnesses should open their eyes and not to be stubborn!

  Peace,

  Jejeval