What Is A Cult? -- Part# 3

by ros 18 Replies latest jw friends

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    aChristian,

    By the way, I just noticed that you have been spending much too much time on this board. Since you have been here you have made on average 1.1937321 posts per day. I, on the other hand, have averaged only 1.1772853 posts per day. Try to spend your time more productively!

    LOL, OK I guess you caught me!

    I just need work sometimes. So lonely you know!!!! Spent my life as a JW speaking about God, I cannot stop just because I no longer carry their name.

    Good "seeing" you aChristian. I always read your posts on the "C" forum.

    Take Care!
    IW

  • aChristian
    aChristian

    IW,

    Channel C is a ghost town most of the time. It sure could use a few more posters. Why don't you ask the boss over there for a password?

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    aChristian,

    Why don't you ask the boss over there for a password?

    I have thought of that, but feel I am too out of the main stream for that forum. I enjoy the discussions but I do not fit in with many of the posters. I do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible (though I do believe that it contains many good things), or the godship of Jesus (though I do believe he was a man above many!).

    As you can see, I would not fit in there.

    I do believe in God and in his everlasting love! This is mine.

    I would like to say, just in case we do not get a chance to speak again, that I do love your commitment to God and to his service.

    Keep Going!!
    IW

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Hello Ros,

    A very enlightening post, thank you.

    The WTS when discussing the definitions of what constitutes always draws attention to the ‘charismatic’ leader as its first definition. In the opening paragraph, from Masada to Jonestown, an illustration is invariably applied that paints a horrendous tale of humans following other humans into oblivion.

    The WTS of course, prides itself in having no ‘human’ leader, and in this perpetrates a gross fraud on its adherents and the public.

    The WTS *is*, Theo Jarascz. He is also supported by a pair of clones with minimalist personalities.

    When Knorr was breathing his whining thunder around the corridors of power, it was he and his henchman, the Nostradamus of Brooklyn, Frederick Franz who *were* the WTS. Jarascz, like a hungry jackal bided his time and power fell into his hands when Raymond Franz was buried. He took the wheel and pressed the gas pedal as he aimed at an image of himself.

    Anyone who has been an elder for any length of time, will support the view that a body of elders is just a cameo of the larger GB picture. One or two ‘strong’ ( read ignorant and churlish ) elders run the show, the others are content to have a little human glory, while not getting terribly political.

    Brooklyn is a place of politics, not spirit. Watching the hapless minions fawn and splutter around Mrs Jarascz as I did a while ago, would put to rest any qualms about cult definitions.

    The GB may have tried hard to disjoint itself from the maverick ‘Rutherford’ era, when they were by all technical definitions a cult, but the reality is that though the leopard has carefully painted over its spots, it roars with the same sound.

    HS

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    HS,

    Brooklyn is a place of politics, not spirit.

    That is up to God!!!

    IW

  • aChristian
    aChristian

    IW,

    You wrote: I ... feel I am too out of the main stream for that forum. I enjoy the discussions but I do not fit in with many of the posters. I do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible (though I do believe that it contains many good things), or the godship of Jesus (though I do believe he was a man above many!).

    I'd like to see you there. However, it is, as you have observed, a forum for "Christian" discussions. If you call yourself a Christian I think you would fit in just fine. It has been my experience that exJW Christians do not demand nearly as much uniformity of thought as most other Christians. One regular poster there has recently described himself as a "Christian agnostic." I guess that neans a Christian who has a lot of doubts.

    By the way, I also don't believe in the "inerrancy" of the Bible, at least not in the way many Christians understand that term. I know another well respected poster there who feels the same. As you may recall, I recently started a thread there called, "How much corruption exists in Scripture?" I would have liked to see the whole subject of "Biblical inerrancy" discussed as well as the meaning of "inspiration." Were the writers of the Bible "inspired" by God to write every word they did in exactly the way they wrote it, or were they inspired in more the way that a painter is "inspired" by a beautiful sunset? Or in some way in between?

    So far as you not believing Jesus is God, it seems to me that there are a few over there who do not accept that idea. My posts about Adam not being the first man have probably also caused a couple of people to brand me as a "heretic." I've also said over there that women should teach in Churches, that I don't believe in a global flood and that I think God used evolution to create the human race. Nobody has booted me yet. I think "liberal" Christians make discussion boards interesting. However, there is a difference between saying that the Bible probably contains some minor errors and some corruptions and saying it is a totally man made document. And there is big difference between saying that Jesus was "only" the promised Messiah and God's first born heavenly Son whose death paid for the sins of the world, but was not God Himself, and saying that Jesus was just a great man and a great teacher, like Ghandi.

    I'd like to see more open minded "liberal" Christians posting @ Channel C, but I would hate to see it overrun by atheists and Bible bashers, like this board. I think anyone who identifies themself as an exJW Christian and says they will not be too pushy about any unusual personal beliefs will probably be given a password.

    Oh, thanks for the kind words. : )

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    IW,

    That is up to God!!!

    lol...In which case I would say that he has chosen to stay out of political theology.

    Best regards - HS

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    HS,

    You, Farkel, AlanF, aChristian and UncleBruce are........ well it's best I remain quiet!

    As for the GB, I swear upon my father's grave they will do away with shunning and they will also allow a more liberal blood policy!

    They are not dead yet!

    IW

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    IW,

    As for the GB, I swear upon my father's grave they will do away with shunning and they will also allow a more liberal blood policy!

    I am sure that you are quite correct in this assertion.

    Problem is that as usual, it will be 'Satans System', forcing them to behave like Christians - yet again!

    Bets to you - HS

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