Need Help! About Blood Transfusion

by Marvin Shilmer 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • Scully
    Scully

    Marvin:

    "The problem with blood transfusions is that there is absolutely no certainty of survival - a recent New South Wales Health Department study showed that 18,000 Australians die each year as a direct result of blood transfusions (wrong blood type, contaminated, toxic shock etc.)."

    His assertion is preposterous, and maybe dishonest! We will see how he responds when confronted with fact.

    While the Awake! piece never actually says that "18,000 Australians die each year as a direct result of blood transfusions" it is precisely what they want the average rank and file JW to believe. They are experts at jumping to conclusions and conjecture.

    Do let us know what your "friend" says once confronted with the facts.

    Love, Scully


  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    Hawkaw, look this over and send it to the father if you think it is appropriate. It is part of a letter that I sent to Liberal Elder some time ago.

    If he would like my name and email address, feel free to give them to him.

    LoneWolf

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    As you well know, the law on blood came into existence at the time of the flood. (Although the situation with Cain and Abel makes one wonder if there wasn’t some understanding of it before that time.) I feel quite comfortable with the explanation offered in Vol. 1 of <I>Insight on the Scriptures</I>, page 344.

    “With Jehovah is the source of life. (Ps 36:9) Man cannot give back a life that he takes. ‘All the souls --- to me they belong,’ says Jehovah. (Eze 18:4) Therefore, to take life is to take Jehovah’s property. Every living thing has a purpose and a place in God’s creation. No man has the right to take life except when God permits and in the way that he instructs.

    “After the Flood, Noah and his sons, the progenitors of all persons alive today, were commanded to show respect for the life, the blood, of fellowmen. (Ge 9:1, 5, 6) Also, God kindly allowed them to add animal flesh to their diet. However, they had to acknowledge that the life of any animal killed for food belonged to God, doing so by pouring its blood out as water on the ground. This was like giving it back to God, not using it for one’s own purposes. --- De 12:15, 16.”

    You are also undoubtedly aware of Leviticus 17:11; “For the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for you to make atonement for your souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul in it.”

    These two things establish the following fairly well:

    a. Life was to be respected and treasured, and never to be treated as inconsequential.

    b. As the blood was the container holding the life, it was to be respected as
    befitting the life within it.

    These principles have come down to us unchanged in the Christian era. However, we are doing things now that our ancestors didn’t even dream of. This means that if we are to be pleasing God now, we will need to come to an understanding of His intent in these matters in order to extend them into areas that were not touched upon at that time. It is the principle behind such things that is important. If we do not do this, then we run the danger of violating the principle while obeying the law. Let me illustrate.

    Jesus said in John 15:12, 13; “This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you. No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends.” I think few would argue in the light of this scripture that it would be a sin for someone to deliberately sacrifice his life in order to save someone else’s. The example of a soldier smothering a hand grenade with his own body in order to save his buddies comes to mind.

    But now we have the technology to give a portion of our life to someone needing it by giving them some of the container that holds it, the blood. Are we to believe that it is an honorable thing to give them all of our life, but a sin to give them only part of it?

    There is an interesting dilemma we run into when we endanger life by refusing a blood transfusion. We are actually implying by our course of conduct that blood is more sacred than the life that sanctifies it. Which is holiest, blood, or the life within it that makes the blood holy?

    Thankfully we have a passage in scripture that condemns such twisted reasoning. Check out not only Jesus’ words but his vehemence in saying them: “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is under obligation.’ Fools and blind ones! Which, in fact, is greater, the gold or the temple that has sanctified the gold? Also, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is under obligation.’ Blind ones! Which, in fact, is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? Therefore he that swears by the altar is swearing by it and by all the things on it; and he that swears by the temple is swearing by it and by him that is inhabiting it; . . .”

    I would suggest that the question of which is holiest, blood or the life in it, is even more critical than the two examples that Jesus used. Can you see how it would be possible to violate the spirit of the law (the sanctity of life) by obeying the law (abstaining from blood)?

    There are two other factors we need to crank in to the equation that throw more light on the subject. The first speaks directly to Jehovah’s intent in this matter, and that is the respect and preservation of life. For us to stand by and allow our child to die when it is unnecessary is little different than the practice of sacrificing children to the god Molech. Jehovah emphatically recorded his opinion of that practice. “Furthermore, they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through the fire to Molech, a thing that I did not command them, neither did it come up into my heart to do this detestable thing, for the purpose of making Judah sin.” (Jeremiah 32:35)

    What is the difference between sacrificing our child to God by throwing it in the fire, and sacrificing our child to God by withholding what it needs to stay alive?

    Yes, there are situations where a Christian should be willing to risk his life in order to be faithful. But inasmuch as this situation under consideration has no connection with either demonism or false worship, I fail to see that this is one of them.

    Just as we would condemn a man who ran around cutting others open with a dagger as unchristian but give honor to a surgeon who does the same thing, so we should realize that intent is the important thing here. By refusing blood, we are demonstrating disdain for the life that makes it sanctified.

    Finally, there is a precedent in the Bible as to how to handle the situation when confronted with two holy things and one must be chosen above the other. David and his men were fleeing for their lives and came to realize that their chances were not good unless they had food. None was available except for the cakes of showbread in the tabernacle, which were quite holy. These they took anyway, yet were not condemned for it. (1 Sam. 21:1–6) Why? Because as Jesus quite clearly shows when describing this incident, the lesser of the holy things (the showbread) must give way to the greater (their lives). That same principle should apply to the blood issue.

  • ChristianObserver
    ChristianObserver

    Hello Marvin :o)

    Didn't see your request for information until today!

    The Awake article has also been posted on another message board on the net and its format is even more 'misleading' than the article in Awake! Some, including the poster, have jumped to the conclusion that there are 18,000 deaths a year in Australia from blood transfusion! But then, many would suggest that such was the intention of the 'tendentious' article in Awake! It appears that the result of the insertion in that article has had exactly the effect on Jehovah's Witnesses that I feared that it would have when I was first made aware of it a couple of months ago.

    Dr Ross Wilson has been contacted via e-mail - but I have had no response. He has said in the past that he is aware that his research has been erroneously interpreted and reported.

    There is information on the net about Dr Wilson's earlier report 'Quality in Australian Health Care' which was the study which related to the 18,000 deaths from medical accidents should you need that for reference.

    Do you think that someone should send an actual copy of the 22nd Feb Awake, highlighting the article, to Dr Wilson?

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    1 Samuel 14:32-4 says Saul's whole army ate unbled men to stay alive and later Saul had them build an altar to show sorrow they had had to eat some blood but nowhere does it say Jehovah condemned them

    Matthew 12 has Christ saying "God wants mercy not sacrifice" and relating that though David's men ate temple holy bread to stay alive they were not punished for it due to the extenuating circumstances

    Watchtowerites make much of a verse saying Jehovah is not exempting wrongdoing while ignoring mercy and the fact that in the end we all pay for various sins by death from which only Christ resurrects

    Saying I'm sorry but the need to save real life outweighed not using blood (the symbol of life) is both understandable and forgiveable to our loving God and creator just as it is to reasonable humans

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

    Hello, Hawk

    Give my email to the father and have him contact me that way first. I’ll take it from there. Thanks.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Marvin,

    Long story - but unfortunately I am on strike and can't do it the way you want me too.

    However, I have Emailed you the information at your "Hotmail" account. Please DO NOT email me back - long story.

    Sorry about the delay in getting back to you as I am in and out all the time right now.

    hawk

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    It would be interesting where this case could possibly go with some assistance from someone so well informed as Marvin Shilmer.

    At some point the Society must concede that there are alternative ways to understand the scriptures on this matter and that these alternative ways of looking at things are entirely reasonable.

    What once might have been a well-meaning but mistaken doctrine imposed on the flock now has been exposed as being an unreasonable and unexplainable position. It has been the height of arrogance and dishonesty to continue to not inform the flock and make changes at this point in time. Continuing to punish members for not holding to a knowingly flawed life or death doctrine is just plain sick.

    If this issue is pressed a little further in the right way in Calgary, it might open the way for further concessions to be made by the organization such as turning a blind eye to those who might conscientously and scripturally feel they can accept blood.

    It has to start somewhere.

    Path

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Path,

    As a member of AJWRB, I have had two long talks and fed a ton of information to Carol Harrington of the Canadian Press. Lee Elder has also talked to Carol.

    I have also contacted the Alberta Children's Welfare Deptartment on this issue.

    Carol was the reporter whose story ended up on page 3 of the National Post and who February story has ended up in the Toronto Star.

    Lets just say she is going to be doing a follow up story on this.

    I have also instructed her to give all of my information to the father.

    Here is an interesting couple of little tid bits not reported yet.

    The Witnesses in Alberta actually allow a Witness to have one whole blood transfusion if they want it. But no more than one!!!!

    Also the girl was considered to be an adult by a peer group in the hospital. We are lucky the court sided in the right fashion in this case.

    Sorry but I have to go.

    Take care

    hawk

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