What's the point?

by LKM 11 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • LKM
    LKM

    Hi, I'm not a JW, but am recently married to an disfellowshipped JW who does not believe in JW beliefs. My stepson is being raised by his mother to be a JW. Ack! I am learning all I can about the witnesses....

    One thing I have been wondering:

    why? Why is the Governing Body controling 7 million people in the way they do? What is the point? Money? Power? Something to do with Free Masonry? I have ruled out that they actually believe JW doctrine. I just want to know what the "point" of this cult is?

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Why is the Governing Body controling 7 million people in the way they do? What is the point? Money? Power? I have ruled out that they actually believe JW doctrine.

    There has been much discussion on this on the board. Personally, I happen to think that the GB DOES BELIEVE their doctrine. Most of them came into The Truth at an early age and were indoctrinated from their youth. They gradually climbed the JW Corporate Ladder feeling that it was because of God blessing them and their efforts. For years, at all these levels of advancement, Bethelite, Circuit Overseer, District Overseer, Service Dept member, Writing Dept member, they have been surrounded (and worshipped) by "YES Men". Humble people of the R&F JWs would cling to their every word and every movement. They were revered. They were showered with everything need and every whim they desired. (Evidence of Jehovah's blessing.)

    It's not unlike some politician who is surrounded by all his staff praising him/her for everything he says or does who only hears all the "right answers" and never is exposed to the dirt or the negative side of things. Then they lose by a landslide! Why didn't they know? They were too sheltered. They never saw the outside world.

    So it is with the GB. They are never exposed to the negative element as you find right here. The negative correspondence, regardless of how sincere it is, never makes it to their personal mailbox, it is always handled by the "Yes Men" who keep them sheltered and only give them the letters of worship and reverence. Everyone bows (symbolically) to them. Everyone prays for them. NO ONE dares "tell them like it really is"!

    The only bad news they get has to do when the sh!t really hits the fan, such as the $$$$MILLION abuse case just lost. Then it is the fault of the lowly R&F Elders who flubbed up. Or, it is persecution by Satan's tools, the Kings of the Earth, the governments. All this just re-inforces that they are indeed right in their actions. More evidence of God's blessing.

    As a member of the GB, Ray Franz was a rare exception when he questioned things. Even he did by the proper channels that were there. He brought it up in meetings with the GB. According to his account in his book, he was always out voted. Again, read COC and you will see that same kind of political machine at work. GB members campaigning for this side or that side. Certain members just voting with their buddy or mentor, without ever humbly examining that an issue might actually be wrong. Pride is an evil thing. This proud and arrogant attitude is what actually makes them think that they are God's sole channel of communication to mankind. They are BIG fish in their small pond. They are amazed at their accomplishment of gathering 7 MILLION souls for salvation. They are blind to the fact that it means they have lost 7 BILLION souls. (If their doctrines are to be assumed as true.) Get out of the little pond, and stand back for a bigger perspective and you see that they have failed God miserably, as He wants NO ONE to be destroyed. They are the worst PR Dept that God could have ever chosen to represent him. They are the slave that buried the Talent and earned the Master almost no interest. But they will never see it.

    You've got a lot of work ahead of you, and you need to read up NOW to see how to approach it in the right way that can yield the results you desire. Approach it in the wrong way, and you'll only end up reinforcing their convictions by them feeling persecuted by the evil step-mother.

    Doc

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Hey, I'm a never-JW married to a Witness. I strongly suggest you get one of Steve Hassan's books (he has a new one out) to understand the cult mindset.

    I assume your stepson comes visiting once in a while. I encourage you to both respect his beliefs and celebrate his individuality.

    "why? Why is the Governing Body controling 7 million people in the way they do? What is the point? Money? Power? Something to do with Free Masonry? I have ruled out that they actually believe JW doctrine. I just want to know what the "point" of this cult is?"

    Nothing to do with free masonry. The machinery was put in motion for this particular organization many years ago. The second leader (Rutherford) structured it to be self-perpetuating. There are several governing organizations that cannot operate without the other. So even if there were a reformer to make it a kinder, gentler organization, the single reformer can't shut down the machine. Ray Franz, a former Governing Body member, stepped down in good conscience.

    People show a remarkable capacity to hold on to dissonant beliefs. Some organizations take advantage of this flaw and show a remarkable ability to hold on to its' members.

  • apostatethunder
    apostatethunder

    In my opinion, the whole point of this corporation is to discredit Christianity.

    Making money at the same time is a bonus.

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    I think they do believe it.

  • moshe
    moshe

    7 million JWs are moving like a downhill glacier and they can't easily be turned around by a change in WT dogma-- the JWs want what they want= WT propaganda that continues to promise them they can cheat death and go into a paradise Earth, while the rest of the world is destroyed by Armageddon. They JWs don't want NoBody raining on that parade and the GB gives the JWs what they want- conveniently moving the 100 year old 1914 generation to an overlappaing generation- to the applause of the JWs, who were getting a teensy bit nervous about Aramagedon's delay--

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    Money? Power?

    Correct , Its driven by men who are running a coercive and manipulating religious publishing cult.

    The drive and core operation of the WTS. is lure people to their power and control as to get people buying and selling their products.

    They've continuously packaged up coercive doctrines such as Armageddon coming soon to lure people to manipulatively force their own

    devised doctrines on to people. The reward being that they wont be soon killed and they'll have the possibility to enter a everlasting earthly Paradise.

    Thats the point power control and money, not that all different than many other religious cults.

    The corruption is secretly hidden in their doctrines though to the unaware and naive.

    The Wts. leaders know how to work on the minds of people by putting fear inducing images on the front cover of

    their magazines .

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    As Michael Corleone told Senator Geary, "We're all part of the same hypocrisy...." Only they've made it a profession.

    They get a comfortable and steady living salary and have also most likely have found no reason not to continue the path they're on. They weild a great deal of power, are treated very deferentially on their travels and most likely view themselves the counterparts of the ancient apostles in that they do all that the ancient apostles did except receive actual revelation. Or perhaps they think they're receiving it when random thoughts come to them -- as they come to everyone.

    The FLDS group in Utah is run by Warren Jeffs, a slimy worm of a man who now is in prison for arranging and taking part in polygamous marriages with underage females. Jeffs thinks of himself as a prophet and those who follow him would die in an instant for him. After stints of sitting on a toilet all day in solitary confinement, he one day told a minion who had come to see him that he was receiving a revelation: "You can tell anybody who wants to read this message...that they can see it, even apostates and gentiles, that they may know that I have been a liar and the truth is not in me. I am not the prophet. I never was the prophet.”

    Now for him this was a major admission. The visitor interrupts him to say that he is the prophet, but Warren holds his hand up.

    “Just a minute–the Lord is still dictating. This is not a test. This is a revelation from the Lord God of Heaven to his former servant who was never his servant who is dictating these words at this time that you may know this is not a test. I say farewell again, to all who qualify for Zion. Farewell.”

    Visitor: “We love you! We love you! We love you!”

    True prophets don't doubt their callings...they know. And no one can say how the GB members feel when they turn off the lights at night. Have any of them claimed to see angels? What confirmations do they have of their divine callings? I suspect they have none. BTW, Jeffs subsequently reneged and excommunicated those directly below him. So his self doubts were like those of Joan of Arc. After telling her she's going to burn, she reneged and then changed her mind -- and they burned her.

    The JWs are a manmade religion like the ones they denounce. Everything they have is "invisible" and can't be verified by scripture or anything else. But they have bouts of feeling "new light" replacing older light. This would be great if they believed that God could reveal new revelation to His church, but they, like many Christians, believe that the Lord can no longer speak...can no longer reveal new doctrines. But they do believe that the Lord can clarify points that may not have been perfectly understood in the past.

    So they have a social system of power. They have economic security, good pension plans and they're treated as apostles by the modern membership.

    One more thing. Seeing that Jehovah is coming in power and glory any blinking minute, why do they need pension plans? Hmmmm.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    That is a question they all have to answer for themselves. They may all have different answers.

    What I do know for sure is that I don't need to know how they justify it to themselves, or how they override their consciences, in order to demonstrate that what they represent is an illusion ... smoke & mirrors .... the Emperor's new clothes ... and that it is not a subject not worth discussing with JWs as their reasons are just as strange and varied as that of the GB.

  • nugget
    nugget

    There comes a point when it is easier to support the lie than tell the truth. Cults are complex entities with people investing part of themselves in it. To admit that the cult is wrong is also admitting that they were wrong to believe it and that they were duped. People's pride makes it difficult to admit to the mistake. Also when everyone around you tells you that they believe then it is difficult to see the flaws. The GB are constantly receiving positive reinforcement about their position and status and it is very easy for them to believe their own hype after a while.

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit