by smiddy 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
They really do talk shit don't they!
Please define "victim" in the context below...
"In almost 100 percent of those cases of homosexuality uncovered in the congregations, those involved had first fallen victims of the practice of habitual self abuse..."
"In almost 100 percent of those cases of homosexuality uncovered in the congregations, those involved had first fallen victims of the practice of habitual self abuse..."
That is one of the dumbest grasps on reality i've ever heard! The reason almost 100% of those involved in homosexuality (their wording) is because almost 100% of ALL men masturbate ... gay or straight. To link the two as cause and effect is pathetic reasoning. You could just as validly argue that masturbation makes heterosexual men the way they are.
Masturbation is wrong for those who make it wrong. I master the bait quite regularly and I am not g.... oh wait.. yeah I am.
3 threads in as many days posted on the same subject.
Probably masturbation wouldn't have been a subject discussed at all on this forum over tha passed few days if the borg hadn't made idiots of themselves with their vid.
I don't care who masterbates or who is gay or not. If you do masterbate I just ask you to wash your hands before preparing any food
When will people realise that people are born gay? Ask a hetro male if he can choose to have sex with another man, enough said, it is not a choice, and the masterbation thing is just ridiculous
I agree KK I'm not gay but if I was born a boy I would be
inbetween said:
when it comes to masturbation, its something virtually everybody growing up does, it does not harm neither one self nor anybody else (normally, perverted people is a different story) however, with strict rules like in JW, poeple feel guilty and unworthy.
Intended or not, but feeling of guilt will urge poeple to compensate with more field service, donations or whatever...
I agree, sexual desires in a civilzed world need to be controlled, but not condemned like the org does...
So, how do they control it, if not by condemnation? That's the only tool they've got! They can't criminalize it, and throw people into jail for it, or give lashes with a whip (shadows of S&M noted: some people enjoy that kind of thing).
In my book it quickly comes back to personal responsibility, and not blaming others for holding you back from things in life. If people don't want to be subject to tolerating the condemnation of ANY religion, or ANY group, etc, then they should simply not listen to it. JWs don't own people as slaves: the members may THINK of themselves as enslaved, but they're not. As Eleanor Roosevelt said, "no one can make you feel inferior without you giving them permission to do so".
I'm reminded of how an elephant may be raised in restraints, but then grow to be incredibly strong physically and able to easily break free the restraints, if they only tried. They don't, since it never occurs to them that things have might've changed. They accept their fate.
This issue is NOT unique to JWs, BTW: I saw a segment on Jeff Probst Show about a woman who was in a strict orthodox Jewish religion in NYC, where she had to leave everything behind to set her and kids free from a controlling environment. Same story, repeated millions of times... Religions control people, and that's hardly breaking news.
One thing that alway annoyed me about the Watchtower's definition of masturbation is that they call it "self abuse". This makes it sound like such a terrible thing.
