WT U-Turn on "Great Crowd" (May 1,200...

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  • stevieb1
    stevieb1

    The following is taken from Questions from Readers p.31 of the My 1, 2002 Watchtower. It is the WT response to the question: "When John saw the "great crowd" rendering sacred service in Jehovah's temple, in which part of the temple were they doing this?"

    QUOTE

    "It is reasonable to say that the great crod worships Jehovah in one of the earthly courtyards of his great spiritual temple, specifically the one that corresponds with the outer coutyard of Solomon's temple.

    "In times past, it has been said that the great crowd is in a spiritual equivalent r antitype, of the Court of the Gentiles that existed in Jesus' day. However, further research has evealed at least five resons why this is not so. First, not all the features of Herod's temple have an antitype in Jehovah's great spiritual temple. For example, Herod's temple had a Court of the Women and a Court of Israel. Both men and women could enter the Court of Women, but only men were allowed into the Court of Israel. In the earthly courtyards of Jehovah's great spiritual temple, men and women are not separated in their worship. (Galatians 3:28,29) Hence, there is no equivalent of the Court of the Women and the Court of Israel in the spiitual temple.

    "Second, there was no Court of the Gentiles in the divinely provided archtectural plans of Solomon's temple or Ezekiel's visionary temple; now was there one in the temple rebuilt by Zerubbabel. Hence, there is no reason to suggest that a Court of the Gentiles needs to play a part in Jehovah's great spiritual temple arrangement for worship, especially when the following is considered.

    "Third, the Court of the Gentiles was built by the Edomite King Herod to glorify himself and to curry favour with Rome. Herod set about renovating Zerubbabel's temple perhaps in 18 or 17 BCE. The Anchor Bible Dictonary explains: "The classical tastes of the imperial power to the West [Rome]......mandated a temple larger than those of comparable eastern cities." However, the dimensions of the temple proper were already establshed. The dictionary explains: "While the Temple itself would have to have the same dimensions as its predecessors [Solomon's and Zerubbabel's], the Temple Mount was not restricted in its potential size." Hence, Herod expnded the temple area by adding on what in modern times has been called the Court of the Gentiles. Why would a construction with such a background have an antitype in Jehovah's spiritual temple arrangement?

    Fourth, almost anyone - he blind, the lame, and uncircumcised Gentiles, could enter the Court of the Gentiles (Matthew 21:14, 15) True, the Court served a purpose for many uncircumcised Gentiles who wished to make offerings to God. And it was there that Jesus sometimes addressed the crowds andtwice expelled the money changers and merchants, saying that they had dishonored the house of his Father. (Matthew 21:12,13; John 2:14-16) Still, the Jewish Encyclopedia says: "This outer court was, strictly speaking, not a part of the Temple. Its soil was not sacred, and it might be entered by any one."

    Fifth, th Greek word (hi.e.ron') translated "temple" that is used with reference to the Court of the Gentiles "refers to the entire complex, rather than specifically to the Temple bulding itself," say A Handbook on the Gospel of Matthew, by Barclay M Newman and Philip C. Stine. In contrast, the Greek word (naos') translated "temple" in John's vision of the great crowd is more specific. In the context of the Jerusalem temple, it usually refers to the Holy of Holies, the temple building, or the temple precincts. It is sometime rendered "sanctuary." - Matthew 27:5, 51; Luke 1:9, 21; John 2:20.

    Members of the great crowd exercise faith in Jesus'ransom sacrifice. They are spiritually clean, hving "washed their robe and made them white in th blood of the Lamb." Hence, they are declared righteous with a view to becoming friends of God and of surviving the great tribulation. (James 2:23, 25) In many ways, they are like proselytes in Israel who submitted to the Law covenant and worshipped along with the Israelites.

    "Of course, these proselytes did not serve in the inner courtyard, where the priests performed their duties. And members of the great crowd are not in the inner courtyard of Jehovah's great spiritual temple, which courtyard represents the condition of perfect, righteous human sonship of the members of Jehovah's "holy priesthood" while they are on earth. (1 Peter 2:5) But as the heavenly elder said to John, the great crowd really is in the temple, not outside the temple area in a kind of spiritual Court of the Gentiles. What a privilege that is! And how it highlights the need for ach one to maintain spiritual and moral purity at all times!

    END QUOTE

    Your thoughts on this "new light" would be appreciated.

  • messenger
    messenger

    I think you now a the first salvo in the move to make a great crowd GB.

  • Scully
    Scully

    It almost sounds like they're adding another tier to the pyramid at first glance. The way I've read it just now (rather quickly), gives me the impression that the Little Flock has two tiers: the Most Holy (for the high priest/GB) and the Holy (for the remnant of the anointed, and others who served as priests). Then there is the Court of Israel for worshippers (rank and file JWs). Finally the Court of Gentiles (for unbaptized associates who worship with JWs).

    I think messenger has a point too with the non-anointed GB members. But hasn't there been at least one non-anointed GB member for a while already??

    It will be interesting to see how it's delivered/interpreted at the congregation level.

    Love, Scully

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    I can't read it. But I tried, and I wondered after the first paragraph if it was another "joke" article written by an apostate.

    It's insane drivel. Whether or not it is New Light brand insane drivel, I can't say, as I can't get into it enough to comment.

  • Perry
    Perry

    GB roundtable discussion:

    GB - 1
    We're all getting old, what the hell are we going to do?

    GB - 2
    Perhaps invite other annointed to become GB?

    GB - 3
    Heck no, most of them are senile....you know that!

    GB - 1
    I wish, Freddie were here....he'd know what do.

    GB - 3
    No Freddie would just lock himself up in his room and come back to us with another silly vision. What we need is a younger more vibrant GB.....that way we can retire.

    GB - 1
    Call the writing dept.

    (((((Phone rings))))))

    Hello?

    GB - 3
    Yea, this is the GB. We're dead locked on how to get more younger administratively savvy members on the GB before we die. Any suggestions?

    Writing Dept:
    Well, Freddie never wanted it that way so he placed the Great Crowd outside the spiritual temple in the courtyard of gentiles. I don't see how this would be possible.

    GB - 3
    Goddammit! Freddie is dead. When are you boys gonna start thinking for yourselves? We've got a problem on our hands here and all you can do is quote Freddie?

    Writing dept:

    (Shaky voice) Well, I suppose we could take the Great Crowd from the courtyard and place them maybe in a special room or something in the temple?

    GB - 3

    Ok, good, good. We want to see a draft first thing Monday morning...got it? And don't forget to put the usual thanks to God for us thinking of this stuff in the article too.

    Writing dept:
    (voice stronger now) Do you want it to be a study article?

    GB - 3 Hell no, the Apostates would have a field day with this stuff. We don't want the rank and file thinking too much about it either. It might hinder their field service. Just make up a phony Questions from Readers and put it there. That way we can refer to it in a year or two at the distric convention and make people feel stupid for having let this change slip past them.

    That'll make 'em work harder.

    Writing dept:
    Anything else?

    GB - 3
    Jesus, I hate that smell! Yea, could you bring us some depends up here? I think GB - 2 had an accident again.

    Writing dept:
    Right away sir.

  • dins
    dins

    LOL!!!!!

    Thank you for the biggest laugh I've had all week...that was brilliant!!!!!!

    Diana

  • Scully
    Scully

    Perry, that was wonderful!! Thank you!!

    Love, Scully

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Very good Perry!

    "...coming up next on "This Old House of Cards" - re-finishing The Finished Mystery! Tune in!"

  • Axelspeed
    Axelspeed

    Perry...classic stuff!

    On the original QFR, I'm waiting to get my copy and I'll take a look at it.

    stevieb1, hope I don't get flamed, but you might want to use the edit and catch some of the typos, especially since it's a "quote". One thing Brooklyn is picky about is spelling. I'm not the greatest at it and so know the feeling. Sorta like having a booger and no one says anything to you and you only find out after looking in the mirror.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Perry:
    ROFL
    ROFL
    ROFL
    ROFL
    ROFL
    Man, you're good!!!!!

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