What a joke! WTS claims Evangelical support

by ozziepost 7 Replies latest jw friends

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Yes, it's true! The April 15 issue of The Watchtower carries an article entitled Two Pastors Who Appreciated Russell's Writings in which they claim that there was written support for the writings of C T Russell from two leading evangelicals.

    The names of the pastors (both Waldensians) were Daniele Rivoire and Guiseppe Banchetti. According to the Watchtower, early in the twentieth century, Banchetti wrote: "I say that none of us Evangelicals, not even our pastors or theology professors, nobody knows everything. Nay, we have many, many other things to learn...[We should] ... stay and listen, not thinking we know it all, and not rejecting what is offered for our examination. Rather, listen, listen, listen."

    Is the WTS getting in bed with the whore of Babylon? Or do they now want to claim the 'high ground' occupied by the Evangelicals?

    Strange times indeed.

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

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  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Yes, very strange.

    Isn't it a bit of revisionist history to say C.T. Russell was "respected" by his peers / other religionists?

    And why does the Society seek to hitch its wagon to a bit of acknowledgment Russell may have gotten 100 years ago? Haven't they changed practically every doctrine and prophecy Russell ever wrote?

    The Society now is casting about, looking in vain for respectability to try to prop up its image. This seems to be a strange example of that.

    -J.R.

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  • Solace
    Solace

    Strange.
    Although, nothing they do seems to surprise me anymore.
    Im sure they have some kind of agenda, they usually wont do it unless it will benefit them in some way.

  • Fredhall
    Fredhall

    I think some of you is a little jealous of Pastor Russell

  • mustang
    mustang

    Isn't it strange that C. T. Russell is called PASTOR by those who don't 'recognize titles' & other religious 'agrandizement'???

    Mustang

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    This is from the 1982 yearbook, page 128 or so:

    THE OPENING OF AN ITALIAN OFFICE

    The war ended, leaving a toll of death and ruin throughout the peninsula. Although the work continued to be under the direction of the Swiss branch, an office was opened in Italy after 1919. It was at Pinerolo in a house rented at 11 Via Silvio Pellico.

    In 1922 Brother Remigio Cuminetti replaced Sister Cerulli as Italy’s representative of the Society. It was considered no longer appropriate to have a woman in this position of responsibility when it could be filled by a man who had given more than sufficient proof of his integrity. Sister Cerulli, however, was offended by this change, and she left the truth.

    After the war, the task of translating the Watch Tower Society’s publications was taken over by Professor Giuseppe Banchetti.
    He was a Waldensian pastor, but he had studied the truth and appreciated its value. He had even tried to incorporate certain beliefs into his own religion by preaching them from the pulpit, but without success.
    However, he left the seeds of truth in various parts of the country. Around 1913 he was at Cerignola, in the province of Foggia, where the Society used to send him regular consignments of literature. These consignments continued to arrive at the local Waldensian church even after his death, and, later on, a group of Bible Students was formed by persons who had read the literature.Besides The Watch Tower, Professor Banchetti translated the books The Harp of God and Deliverance, as well as a number of booklets. Like Professor Rivoire, he never completely broke away from the Waldensian Church, although he believed the Watch Tower Society’s explanations of the Bible and spread the message.

    When Professor Banchetti died in 1926, translations were made for a short time by a certain Mrs. Courtial, who translated the book Creation. In 1928, however, the task was assigned to a dedicated person, Brother Giosuè Vittorio Paschetto, who carried on the work of translation until the day of his arrest by the Fascist police, November 7, 1939. During this period he translated the books Government, Reconciliation, Life, Prophecy, Light (2 volumes), Vindication (3 volumes), Preparation, Preservation, Jehovah, Riches, Enemies and Salvation. These publications were truly ‘food in due season’ for God’s people. (Matt. 24:45) One of them in particular, the book Enemies, caused a tremendous wave of persecution to sweep over the small existing group of brothers on account of its outspoken attitude regarding the issue of neutrality.

    __________________________________________________________________

    In 1891 a certain American traveler stopped off at Pinerolo during his first series of visits to Europe. He was Charles Taze Russell, the first president of the Watch Tower Society. There at Pinerolo he met Professor Daniele Rivoire, a Waldensian who taught languages at the Waldensian cultural center of Torre Pellice. Though Professor Rivoire never became one of Jehovah's Witnesses, he showed much interest in spreading the Bible's message as explained in the Watch Tower Society's publications.

    Moreover, around 1903 Professor Rivoire translated the book The Divine Plan of the Ages into Italian. He had the book printed at his own expense at the Tipografia Sociale in 1904.This was before an Italian edition of the book came out in the United States. In his 1904 edition, Professor Rivoire wrote the following note to its readers: "We place this first Italian edition under the Lord's protection. May he bless it, so that, in spite of its imperfections, it may contribute to magnify his most holy name and encourage his Italian-speaking children to greater devotion."Jehovah did bless the outcome of this book's distribution.

    Professor Rivoire also began to translate Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence into Italian. It was published quarterly in 1903 and was printed at Pinerolo.Interestingly, the magazine was distributed through the regular channels to the chief newsagents in the most important provincial centers.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    Dungbeetle,

    Thanks for that bit of research! I guess these two men were not such "impartial" observers of the Watchtower Society after all! Interesting context, apparently left out of the current magazine. (Not surprisingly)

    -J.R.

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  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    Doesn't it look as though they virtually were 'employees' that were replaced at the first opportunity? And when Professor Rivoire had to print the divine 'plan of the ages' at his own expense---you have to wonder why!!! And did you notice that all documentation of any support of Professor Rivoire ended at 1904? This was around the time that Maria Russell filed for legal separation from C.T. Russell. (1903)So did he die, or did he get a clue?

    Without knowing more, I don't really consider non-condemnation 'support'--Banchetti wrote: >"I say that none of us Evangelicals, not even our pastors or theology professors, nobody knows everything. Nay, we have many, many other things to learn...[We should] ... stay and listen, not thinking we know it all, and not rejecting what is offered for our examination. Rather, listen, listen, listen."<

    I'm looking to see if the Watchtower has ever used this quote in the past, and in fact I would love to see the whole in context (surpises in store maybe?) I would also like to know if these two men ever translated any OTHER religious works..

    It would seem strange to me that a Waldensien minister would read a book that says the end is coming in 1914; then the end doesn't come and he just blindly translates Watchtowers and more books that conveniently cover over the subject. (The Harp of God 1921 already makes no reference to the several failed prophecies. 'We prophesied that Jesus would come in 1914...', and also that Russell was the 'faithful and discreet slave')

    Methinks we not getting the whole story here..hmmmmmmmmmmm...

    In 1975 a crack team of publishers was sentenced to death by a judicial commiteee. They promptly escaped from the cult and now live life on the run. If you have a problem ... and if you can find them ... maybe you can contact the A--postate Team"

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