My disciples...may I introduce my wife, Mrs. Christ?

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  • undercover
    undercover

    Not that it's conclusive or anything, but wouldn't it just be cool as hell if this were true. Time to re-write those doctrines, all you crazy Christian kids...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/the-gospel-of-jesus-wife_n_1891325.html

    A discovery by a Harvard researcher may shed light on a controversial aspect of the life of Jesus Christ.

    Harvard Divinity School professor Karen L. King says she has found an ancient papyrus fragment from the second century that, when translated, appears to indicate that Jesus was married.

    The text from the New Testament is being dubbed "The Gospel of Jesus' Wife." The part of it that's drawing attention says, "Jesus said to them, 'my wife'" in the Coptic language. The text, which is printed on papyrus the size of a business card, has not been chemically tested to verify its dating, but King and other scholars have said they are confident it is a genuine artifact.

    "Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married, even though no reliable historical evidence exists to support that claim," King said at a conference in Rome on Tuesday. "This new gospel doesn’t prove that Jesus was married, but it tells us that the whole question only came up as part of vociferous debates about sexuality and marriage. From the very beginning, Christians disagreed about whether it was better not to marry, but it was over a century after Jesus’s death before they began appealing to Jesus’ marital status to support their positions."

    King, who focuses on Coptic literature, Gnosticism and women in the Bible, has published on the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary of Magdala, Gnosticism and women in antiquity. She presented her research Tuesday evening in Rome, where scholars are gathered for the International Congress of Coptic Studies.

    The idea that Jesus was unmarried and chaste is largely accepted by Christian denominations and forms the backbone of the practice of celibacy among Roman Catholic priests.

    "Beyond internal Catholic Church politics, a married Jesus invites a reconsideration of orthodox teachings about gender and sex," said journalist and author Michael D'Antonio, who writes about the Catholic Church, in a blog on The Huffington Post. "If Jesus had a wife, then there is nothing extra Christian about male privilege, nothing spiritually dangerous about the sexuality of women, and no reason for anyone to deny himself or herself a sexual identity."

    The quote about Jesus' wife is part of a description of a conversation between Jesus and his disciples. In the conversation, Jesus talks about his mother twice and speaks once about his wife. One of them is identified as "Mary." His disciples discuss whether Mary is worthy of being part of their community, to which Jesus replies, “she will able to be my disciple.”

    The fragment has eight incomplete lines of writing on one side and is badly damaged on the other side, with only three faded words and a few letters of ink that are visible, even with the use of infrared photography and computer-aided enhancement.

    The private owner of the papyrus first approached King in 2010. King said she didn't believe the document was authentic, but the owner persisted. She then asked the owner to bring the papyrus to Harvard, where she became convinced it was a genuine early Christian text fragment. Along with Princeton University professor Anne Marie Luijendijk and Roger Bagnall, director of the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, King claims to have confirmed the document is real. The document's owner has not been named and King said he does not want to be identified.

    It's unclear when the text was initially discovered. The owner who showed it to King found it in 1997 in a collection of papyri that he acquired from the previous owner, who was German. The papyri included a handwritten German description that had the name of a now-deceased professor of Egyptology in Berlin who called the fragment a "sole example" of a document that claims Jesus was married.

    The scholars believe the text is from Egyptian Christians before the year 200, as it is written in the language used at that time. Since writing appears on both sides of the fragment, scholars believe it came from a codex, a kind of book, and not a scroll. The scholars also believe the document is a translation of an earlier one that was likely written in Greek.

    The life of historical Jesus is often a matter of controversy, and this is not the first time it's been proposed that Jesus was married. Most recently, Dan Brown's novel "The Da Vinci Code" depicted Jesus as being married to Mary Magdalene. The book was published as fiction, but nonetheless attracted loud criticism from Vatican officials.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I think the Leonardo Code had this published ahead of you, Undercover.

    It would sort of wreck the notion of the celibate priesthood if it could be proven, though.

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Pleased to meet you, Mrs. Christ!

    Surely you've met YHWH's consort, Asherah?

    These Asherah figurines are found in the 1000's scattered thoughtout excavation sites in Israel, due to their common-place usage in house-hold worship (perhaps to aid fertility?).

    Note the prominent "pubic triangle" clearly seen in the 2nd/3rd images: the triangle is a symbol of fertility in Hebraic culture, and hence the numerological association with 3's (e.g. trinity).

  • Theocratic Sedition
    Theocratic Sedition

    If this were true, how would it affect JW doctrine and lifestyle?

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    If this were true, how would it affect JW doctrine and lifestyle?

    Maybe women would (in time) not have to wear a paper napkin on their heads to hold a field service meeting.

  • Theocratic Sedition
    Theocratic Sedition

    LOL Thats a good point. Then again Paul's writings trump Jesus' words and example now so that might not change.

  • clarity
    clarity

    Woow .... try fitting those thunder thighs into skinny jeans!

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Clarity said:

    Woow .... try fitting those thunder thighs into skinny jeans!

    LOL!

    And it was probably comments like that which YHWH made to Ms Asherah one too many times, plus his legendary anger and jealousy ("I am a jealous God") that explains why YHWH is a single Dude today. She probably left him, and was promptly written out of the plot!

    Actually, she likely was a victim in the shift to monotheism, banished along with other questionable practices (eg taking of foreign wives, etc). But the archaeological evidence cannot hide the fact that she once WAS a very big part of YHWH worship.

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    Good. I figured if he never had a wife, he did not truly know the suffering, and sometimes the joys, of men.

    Jesus and his wife

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